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    Default Tremolo Use and Keeping your Guitar in Tune

    What is the trick to keeping you guitar in tune when using your tremolo alot? I can't seem to stay in tune when I use my tremelo, my PRS is probably the most forgiving as far as staying close to tuned, but I find I have to keep tuning my guitars before I even finish a song when using my trem extensively. I have a couple of EVH guitars with Floyds on them, and they seem to be the hardest to keep in tune after several dives.

    Watching Eddie on LWAN, uTube, or live (whatever), he never seems to go out of tune and he is dive bombing the shit out of the trem.

    What is the trick to staying in tune? Is this a setup thing?

    Any feedback is appreciated!

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    Wax up the blades and make sure the nut is real secure.

    I've done everything I could think of or heard and I have this problem too. I have begun to think its me....I rest on the bridge so im probably hitting the fine tuners.

    I also go from ny to Florida often so I keep adjusting necks too.

    Jimi pointed out to me that eds retainer is low...really holding the strings down on the nut before its clamped down.

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    I've read that it's important to have the strings as straight as possible, like winding them at the tuning pegs so there's no angle up or down from the nut. And keeping the strings from circular twisting while tightening the pegs.
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    I had an OFR on a Charvel EVH Art Series that had some tuning issues, but the "cheaper" ones on my USA Pro Mod Charvels stay in tune great! A luthier once told me to make sure the string retainer is keeping the same angle as the nut, if that makes sense? So the strings aren't coming into the locking nut from the tuners at an angle at all.
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    This may seem obvious, you have to stretch the strings before locking the nut. Stretched well I might add. Then after I lock them down, I stretch again and abuse the trem a bit. Then retune. Works for me.

    One thing I learned, you can't tighten the lock nut too much. I had fret work done on my '88 RG 550. After it wouldn't stay in tune. When I tried to unlock the nut, it was crazy tight! The strings flattened out and must have been moving somehow. You could see they were flat. Changed strings and it was back to normal.

    Also if you have a floating trem, that's a whole other thing. They don't always return to "zero".

    My Pat. Pending black PV Wolf didn't stay in tune at first. Bridge was just a hair away from resting on the body. Actually, the high E side was up a bit. Tightened the springs a bit and it was good.

    Hope you get yours straightened out!

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    I use an old-school standard Strat tremolo like Ed did on [at least] the first album. I don't have that many issues with it staying in tune for the most part. Besides stretching things out really well, you need to get rid of any string trees on the headstock other than the E and B. I actually took that one off too, but if you do use it, leave it sitting pretty high so as not to create a kink by having too much of an angle.

    One thing that is a must - and I do think this had a lot to do with Ed's playing style in the early years - is that you do sometimes have to give it a couple of push/tugs after hitting it hard (i.e. a deep dive bomb) or doing extreme bends to bring it back in to tune when you're in the middle of a song. Usually it's my G string that's the culprit.

    Personally, I think that's why he incorporated little tugs here and there in the early days before he hooked up with Floyd Rose and the locking system. Pay attention to how many times he hits the tremolo while playing his G string. Yeah...it sounds cool but I think it also served a purpose.

    Putting a piece of wood (or small screw) between the wood block and the bottom of the tremolo on the back side gives the tremolo a good resting place to come back to and eliminates some of the "float" which can have you super sharp if you let it go back too far with any kind of force.

    There are some good vids on YouTube for this kind of stuff. I figured out most of it on my own when I was a kid - with a little help from a couple of Guitar Player articles with the man himself.

    Kinks. It's all about eliminating kinks.

    BTW, I've only had one guitar that had a locking tremolo. I can't imagine how one would ever go out of tune.

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    For all you strat guys:

    This actually works!

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    Thanks for the feedback guys! I didn't consider most this stuff you guys mentioned.

    I have an EVH Charvel with a Floyd Rose and locking nut, a new Fender EVH Wolfgang (USA) with a EVH Floyd has a locking nut, and I also have a PRS Custom 24 10 Top with PRS trem and no locking nut (the PRS has locking tuners).

    The PRS is a floating trem and if I pull back on the trem after a dive it seems to help out a bit. The EVH guitars I have are not floating and sit on the guitar body.

    What is a string tree exactly?

    I usually stretch out the strings pretty good, but maybe I need to take a different approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyBHarris View Post
    What is a string tree exactly?

    I usually stretch out the strings pretty good, but maybe I need to take a different approach.
    The string trees are the little metal things on the headstock between the nut and the tuners that are supposed to hold the strings in place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Faced Kid View Post
    The string trees are the little metal things on the headstock between the nut and the tuners that are supposed to hold the strings in place.
    OK, I don't have any. Thanks for the feedback.
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    An OFR should never really go out of tune. I never have issues with mine and thats all I'll own. I just stretch the hell out of my strings then lock em down. Good to go. I've gone years without tuning before.

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    Stretch the shit out of the strings... I can't stress that enough!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Tires View Post
    I've read that it's important to have the strings as straight as possible, like winding them at the tuning pegs so there's no angle up or down from the nut. And keeping the strings from circular twisting while tightening the pegs.
    That's just for non-locking Fender tremolos...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjstudios View Post
    For all you strat guys:

    This actually works!
    +1 Frudua knows what he is talking about.

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    It's really not hard. I have setup many licensed FR type trems and I can get them staying in tune 99% of the time.

    It's simple, block that shit for dive only, that's the way Eddie does it too.

    Sure floating works, but nowhere near as well.

 

 

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