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    Default ADKOT royalties for mike?

    DO NOT- repeat - DO NOT bite my head off.
    this is NOT a stir-up-shit-for-the-sake-of-being-a-dick topic.

    this is a real, legit question that i fell has real merit.

    frankly, i think he's got a case.
    yes, officially he is not in van halen.
    yes, officially he did not play on the album.
    - HOW - EV- ER -

    we know that several of these tracks are absolutely based on the old demos, of which mike was a part.
    he absolutely contributed to the structure and sound of those demos.
    -also-
    we know that mike affirmed that dave was in the band briefly before ed's cancer reveal (see: the 2000/2001 sessions thread), and that new material was worked up while mike was in the band- 3-4 years BEFORE mike took the buy-out of the brand name in order to be on the 04 tour.

    personally, i think he's got a legit claim that he is co-author of at least SOME of ADKOT.
    to be sure, ed probably tweaked bass lines so that he could say he is sole author musically- but then in modern music if even a BIT of a song is "sampled" for the basis of a new song, then the "sampled" segment is accredited to the original author(s).
    several songs from ADKOT are based on demos that mike contributed, even if his "portion" is replaced he is stil co-author of songs being sampled on ADKOT.


    as an aside, let's recap:

    1) david lee roth successfully sued van halen for renogatiating royalty rates without him, leaving him at the old, lesser rate while van halen got a higher rate.
    2) sammy hagar successfully petitioned for proceeds from "can't get this stuff no more" as he had helped arrange the music track, though his lyrics and vocals did not appear on the track.
    3) van halen (unpardonably) removed mike's image from vinatge artwork.
    4) van halen (inexplicably) replaced mike's image with wolfgang on "vintage" clips on the VH videogame.


    that said, this topic in no way shape or form indicates my dislike or disatisfaction with "ADKOT" or van halen mark IV.
    i adore them.
    but i do feel that whatever personal drama or shennanigans drove mike out, he is still an original member (professionally speaking) and ought to be able to reap the benefits of his contribution.


    (this is posted without any firsthand knowledge of mike's buy-out deal in 04)
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    Does anyone think this question wasn't discussed and resolved privately with lawyers etc long before the album reached our ears?
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    A little more volume in the headphones please.

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    Seriously? Ridiculous
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    From what I understand, a few of these songs were worked up before Mike was even in VH... He did an interview to that end, from what I remember.

    So that thumping 8th note on "Big River" -- possibly, perhaps 100% pure Mark Stone!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tap1966 View Post
    Does anyone think this question wasn't discussed and resolved privately with lawyers etc long before the album reached our ears?
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    MA SIGNED ALL =VH = RIGHTS AWAY IN 2004.
    WHAT IS UNDERSTOOD NEED NOT BE DISCUSSED

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    I don't know if he has a legal right to do so but I don't think he'd pursue it if he did.

    I bet Gene Simmons would try if there was an angle! Am guessing there isn't or he'd already be getting a cut on half the VH catalog since most of it appeared on his demo in some form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikehunt5150 View Post
    MA SIGNED ALL =VH = RIGHTS AWAY IN 2004.
    But I can see the posters point. I thought he only signed the 1984 rights and VH rights away. It would depend if he was credited on the publishing of the original songs if they even published them.

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    He has NO legal right to royalties because these demos were never published. There is no writing credit he could claim because there is no proof he wrote anything.

    Mike received royalties from music that was published.

    End of story.

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    Mike has recently stated that he has no interest in seeking any kind of compensation, and that he'd actually like to hear how the songs came out. Case closed.

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    And as a side story

    When the Beatles released the anthology and had songs with Pete Best drumming...they were not legally bound to give him any money. However they did the right thing for the guy and gave him a nice sum of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftyVanHalen View Post
    He has NO legal right to royalties because these demos were never published. There is no writing credit he could claim because there is no proof he wrote anything.

    Mike received royalties from music that was published.

    End of story.
    A succinct reply to the post headline that should end it.
    No doubt it will not, as i foresee at least 2 more pages .

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikehunt5150 View Post
    MA SIGNED ALL =VH = RIGHTS AWAY IN 2004.
    +1

    And he's not as good looking as the other 3...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 47 View Post
    Mike has recently stated that he has no interest in seeking any kind of compensation, and that he'd actually like to hear how the songs came out. Case closed.
    And there you go. #47 for the win.

 

 

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