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    NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The U.S. Mint is facing a problem -- especially during these penny-pinching times. It turns out it costs more to make pennies and nickels than the coins are worth.

    And because of that, the Obama administration this week asked Congress for permission to change the mix of metal that goes to make pennies and nickels, an expensive recipe that has remained unchanged for more than 30 years.

    To be precise, it cost 2.4 cents to make one penny in 2011 and about 11.2 cents for each nickel.


    Given the number of coins that the mint produces -- 4.3 billion pennies and 914 million nickels last year alone, those costs add up pretty quickly: a little more than $100 million for each coin.

    But even though Treasury has been studying new metals since 2010, it has yet to come up with a workable mix that would definitely be cheaper, and it has no details yet as to what metals should be used or how much it would save to do so.

    Even if a cheaper metal can be used, it might not take the cost of a penny down to less than a penny.

    Just the administrative cost of minting 4.3 billion pennies costs almost a half-cent per coin by itself, leaving precious little room to make a penny for less than a cent, no matter the raw material used.

    The raw material cost of the metals used in a current penny is only about 0.6 cents per coin, according to prices quoted on the London Metal Exchange, and a breakdown of a penny's composition from the mint. The mint paid 1.1 cents on average for the metal used in a penny in 2011, but that is the cost of ready-to-stamp blanks from the supplier, not raw material traded on commodity markets.

    There have been times in recent years when a run-up in zinc and copper prices has taken the raw material value of a penny above one cent.

    That's the case for a nickel today. Its more expensive metal mix means the raw materials in each are worth almost 6 cents per coin, based on current market prices.

    Despite popular belief, since 1982 pennies have only been copper plated, not copper through and through. Much less expensive zinc makes up 97.5% of the mass of a penny, the rest is a copper coating.

    Nickels actually have much more copper in them -- 75% copper and 25% nickel, the same mix it has always had.

    The mint did make steel pennies for one year -- in 1943 -- when copper was needed for the war effort. And steel might be a cheaper alternative this time. Steel is roughly one-quarter the price of zinc on the London Metal Exchange.

    Treasury had already made a cost-saving move in December when it stopped making dollar coins.

    With 1.4 billion surplus presidential dollar coins sitting in bank vaults waiting to be circulated, and American consumers showing little appetite to start using the coins, Treasury estimates the halt in production of the coins will save about $50 million a year.

    Treasury spokesman Matt Anderson said Treasury has the authority to stop making the dollar coins on its own, but it can't change the mix of metals in pennies without permission.

    As for the suggestion of some that the penny be abandoned altogether, Anderson said only "that is not a proposal we have put forward."
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    Coins should be discontinued anyways. They are pretty much useless in today's world. I mean, besides the coin-op air and vacuum at the local gas station, what purpose do they really serve?
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    Is there a shortage of pennies? I can't believe there aren't enough in circulation now to cover our needs. Probably nickels, too. Just offer people $1.05 for every hundred pennies or twenty nickels turned in and you'd probably get more than you need.

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    We should just start using ten cent or twenty five cent increments for money.
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    We have ditched 1c and 2c coins down here for a few years now, and I think 5c are planned for phaseout too

    $1 coins have been around for bout 20 years now i think, and $2 for 15 or so. notes start at $5 and are made of some kinda polymer to last a lot longer than paper.
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    Fuck pennies. They have been inflated to oblivion.


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    Why blame the pennies? It's the government's shitty monetary policy that caused the money to be worth so much less than what it costs to make. Maybe they should fix that first.
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    how many places do you go today where there is a cup next to the cash register "give a penny take a penny"

    today I paid for something and it came to 10.03 when I handed her a ten the the cashier said "never mind, I have 3 cents"

    i do the same at my cash register

    pennies are treated like inconveniences,,,which they are

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    I started collecting 1982 and older pennies about a year ago, I almost have a half gallon's worth.

 

 

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