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    Outcry Over Obama's Birth Control Rule Grows Louder

    Catholic pulpits and pews are increasingly inflamed with talk of a war on religion after the Obama administration's recent decision on employers' birth control coverage.

    “There can be no doubt that religious liberty in our country is in jeopardy,” Monsignor W. Ronald Jameson warned on Saturday from inside Washington’s historic Cathedral of St. Matthew. “This is the time to speak up. This is the time for all voices to be heard.”

    Jameson’s dire warning to the Catholic faithful was focused on the controversial ruling that President Obama made last week, mandating that all employers, as part of the 2010 health care overhaul, must cover in full the cost of female contraception (including the abortion pill and other abortion services). The Roman Catholic Church, as a matter of doctrine, opposes the use of birth control, and staunchly opposes abortion.

    In an op-ed published Monday in USA Today, the president’s top health official, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius (who claims to be Catholic), defended the ruling as striking the right balance between respecting religious freedom and providing critical health services to women.


    “This is not an easy issue,” Sebelius wrote, adding that the Obama administration had taken pains to make allowances for the church. “We specifically carved out from the policy religious organizations that primarily employ people of their own faith. This exemption includes churches and other houses of worship, and could also include other church-affiliated organizations.”

    In a rebuttal editorial published on the same day, however, USA Today condemned the rule as “bad policy and bad politics.” If enacted, the paper’s editors said, Catholic-run institutions that employ diverse populations “would be put in the impossibly awkward position of facilitating contraception even though the church teaches that it is ‘intrinsically wrong.’”

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney also noted the exemption, but told reporters Monday: “Those institutions where women of all faiths, many faiths work need to have the same kind of coverage that all other American women have.”

    Leading Catholics and other religious figures pointed out that large Catholic-affiliated organizations – schools and colleges, hospitals, charities and the like – employ tens of thousands of people of all religious faiths, and as such will not qualify for the administration’s exemption.
    The White House and HHS, in turn, have granted such organizations an extra year to come into compliance with the rule.

    On the campaign trail, the Republican presidential candidates have turned the issue into a rallying cry. Front-runner Mitt Romney on Monday used Twitter to appeal to Catholic voters and link them to a petition his campaign crafted. “If you've had enough of the Obama Administration's attacks on religious liberty,” Romney tweeted, “stand with me & sign the petition.”

    That was mild compared with the strong medicine doled out by Newt Gingrich. “The Obama administration has declared war on religious freedom in this country,” the former House speaker sternly told reporters in a news conference in Las Vegas on Saturday night. “This is a decision so totally outrageous, an illustration of such radical secular ideology, that I believe [the church’s] hierarchy will oppose it every inch of the way.”

    In an interview with Fox News religion correspondent Lauren Green, John Garvey, the president of Catholic University of America, framed the issue more charitably. “I don’t think that this is a case of the government as out to get religious institutions, as though they’re the focus of its attack. It's more a kind of lack of concern or appreciation for real religious concerns and values,” Garvey said.

    “It shows an attitude on the government's part that religion is something we'll protect if it's just happening in church on Sunday, or in the mosque on Friday, but if it has to do with your daily activity or the life you want to lead, it's not something we want to protect.”

    What remains uncertain is whether President Obama, who won the Catholic vote in 2008 by a 9 percentage-point margin, will pay a political price for the ruling this coming November.

    The importance of the Catholic vote cannot be underestimated. Of the 68 million Catholics in America, roughly 35 million voted in 2008, accounting for 27 percent of the total electorate. And a review of data from seven battleground states – Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin – shows Catholics comprising roughly one-quarter or more of the electorate in each.

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    Army chaplains ordered not to read letter to parishioners that expresses disapproval of Obama administration's health care law because Army officials were concerned there would be a 'call for civil disobedience.'

    Army chaplains have been told not to read a letter in Masses on Sunday that expresses disapproval of a new regulation in the Obama administration's health care law because the language in the letter speaks too strongly against the commander in chief.

    According to a senior Army official, Chief of Chaplains Donald Rutherford was asked not to let chaplains read the Jan. 26 letter sent by Archbishop Timothy P. Broglio because of the sentence that states: "We cannot -- we will not -- comply with this unjust law."

    "There was a worry that would be a call for civil disobedience," said a senior Army official.

    In the letter, Broglio writes to pastors telling them that the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services rule that requires coverage of sterilization, abortifacients and contraception be included in virtually all health plans is a direct violation of the First Amendment allowing religious liberty.

    "As a result, unless the rule is overturned, we Catholics will be compelled to choose between violating our consciences or dropping health coverage for our employees (and suffering the penalties for doing so)," he wrote.

    "We cannot -- we will not -- comply with this unjust law. People of faith cannot be made second-class citizens. We are already joined by our brothers and sisters of all faiths and many others of good will in this important effort to regain our religious freedom.

    "Our parents and grandparents did not come to these shores to help build America’s cities and towns, its infrastructure and institutions, its enterprise and culture, only to have their posterity stripped of their God-given rights. In generations past, the Church has always been able to count on the faithful to stand up and protect her sacred rights and duties. I hope and trust she can count on this generation of Catholics to do the same. Your children and grandchildren deserve nothing less," he wrote.

    Broglio then urged pastors to "learn more about this severe assault on religious liberty and how to contact Congress in support of legislation that would reverse the administration's decision."

    That legislation is already in the works. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., and 20 cosponsors filed the the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 2012, which would repeal the mandate that Rubio says "violates the religious liberties and conscience rights of faith-based institutions by forcing them to offer employees insurance coverage for contraceptives."

    "As Americans, we should all be appalled by an activist government so overbearing and so obsessed with forcing mandates on the American people that it forces such a choice on religious institutions," Rubio wrote in an editorial Friday in The New York Post.

    The Obama administration defends the decision to require Catholic groups fund reproductive medications and procedures by saying that many lay individuals work in these institutions.

    "There are tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of women who work in these hospitals and universities who are not Catholic or they may be Catholic but they use birth control and the question is whether they will have the same, the same package that every other woman in the country has, the same right and access to basic preventive care," Obama senior adviser David Axelrod told MSNBC on Tuesday.

    But the administration could shift its maneuvers. White House spokesman Jay Carney said Monday that besides the year the Catholic institutions were given to comply, lost in the coverage is the effort "to work with those religious institutions to try to implement this policy in a way that ensures that women have access to preventive care, but tries to allay the concerns of these institutions."

    Democratic senators on Tuesday were planning a full-throated defense of the administration policy, calling it a "protection of women's health." Some see a concerted GOP attack on women's health starting with efforts to shut down the government last year over abortion policy, the Komen Foundation-Planned Parenthood flap over breast cancer funding and now the controversy over the decision to require Catholic institutions to provide contraceptives free of charge.

    But Jordan Sekulow, director of policy and international operations at the American Center for Law and Justice, told FoxNews.com that the legislation may win support from the few Democrats who are either pro-life or have large Catholic constituencies.

    "I don't think it's as partisan as people think," Sekulow said. "Bob Casey from Pennsylvania is probably key there. Joe Manchin of West Virginia I think would be someone who would side on this quickly. He already said he's already concerned about this. So if Rubio can get enough support from that community then you could handle this. It would obviously pass through the house and hten the Senate and then the president would have to make a decision on his desk, not on (Health and Human Services Secretary) Kathleen Sebelius issuing the order."

    Meanwhile, Planned Parenthood has released a poll from the Democratic firm, Public Policy Polling, that says 53 percent of Catholics surveyed agree with the decision to require Catholic hospitals and universities to provide prescription birth control without no additional out-of-pocket fees. According to the poll, 37 percent are opposed.

    The poll showed 53 percent of Catholics also agree that women employed by Catholic hospitals and universities should have the same rights to contraceptive coverage as other women while only 39 percent say these institutions should be exempted because contraception runs counter to Catholic teachings.

    Democrats also released a similar poll from the Public Religion Research Institute, which says 49 percent of Americans say that religiously affiliated colleges and hospitals should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception or birth control at no cost. Forty-six percent say they should not have to provide this type of coverage.

    With 300,000 Catholics serving in the Armed Forces not hearing the letter in services, retired Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer of the Center for Advanced Defense Studies said he hopes the White House "backs down."

    "Clearly, the Army's job is to be a military organization, not be in the middle of a social values conflict," he told Fox News. "This is something we've got to resolve quickly. Otherwise it will diminish our ability to fight as a military.
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    The bigger problem is health care still being attached to employment. It's ridiculous, and it leads to things like this.

    This doesn't solve everything, as from what I understand individuals are required this coverage as well.

    Interestingly, it's not a full attack, as the Amish are exempted from ObamaCare in it's entirety as their religion is against insurance of any kind.

    These organizations could and probably will choose not to cover their employees at all, which means their employees would have to buy insurance or go to the state-run exchanges--which require that coverage.

    The silliness is that 9/10 employers were including this coverage already.

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    Freedom of Religion in America under attack from Obama administration.

    Meet your worst nightmare Obama.

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    "As a six-time undefeated middleweight world karate champion, I have a pretty good idea what makes a warrior."

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    Newt Gingrich is against female contraception? He must have hundreds of kids then!
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    "Let's honor the conscience of those who disagree with abortion and draft a sensible conscience clause." - Barack Obama



    "In effect, the president is saying we have a year to figure out how to violate our consciences"
    - Cardinal-designate Timothy M. Dolan, Archbishop of New York

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    President Obama, in your speech at Notre Dame and elsewhere, you promised that you would provide conscience exemptions for those whose faith forbade their participation in evil.

    You have broken that promise by forcing our Church to provide insurance coverage for sterilization, contraception, and various abortifacient drugs. These are practices that for 2,000 years we have taught are intrinsically evil.

    You disagree. We understand. But you refuse to respect our right to live out our faith. You have decided to use the coercive power of the state to force your fellow citizens to commit what they believe are evil acts. You have asked the impossible. We cannot be good Americans by being bad Christians.

    Turn from your intolerance. Leave in place the conscience exemptions that have served us well since 1973 (42 USC 300a-7 (d)). Vacate the proposed HHS mandate.




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    Ya know what? I'm sick of this crap from the right-wingers and their whole "OH MY GOD! They're attacking our religion" crap. Ya know what? No they're not! They're protecting the rights of Americans. PERIOD.

    But if you want a war, you bigoted, racist, homophobic assholes, FINE! IT'S WAR! I will side with Obama and millions more against you and your crazy-ass RELIGION! I'll be friends and allies with those who keep their religion to themselves and treat it as a personal relationship with their "higher power" or "creator" or "savior" or whatever - that's all good. But when you start pushing it on everyone else - demanding that you have a monopoly on morality and that whatever you believe to be right or whatever is in your book is "the truth" that everyone else must live by - you're asking for a fight.

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    The bottom line is those religious conservatives want to control what happens between a woman's legs. They're terrified by it, and feel that women have to be supervised, checked, verified, etc. Been going on for hundreds of years.
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    So if you were a devout Catholic, why would you go to a Catholic hospital for birth control or an abortion in the first place? That just seems strange to me. I personally don't think they should have to cover the full cost if it violates their religious values. But then again, that brings me back to my first question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWood919 View Post
    Ya know what? I'm sick of this crap from the right-wingers and their whole "OH MY GOD! They're attacking our religion" crap. Ya know what? No they're not! They're protecting the rights of Americans. PERIOD.

    But if you want a war, you bigoted, racist, homophobic assholes, FINE! IT'S WAR! I will side with Obama and millions more against you and your crazy-ass RELIGION! I'll be friends and allies with those who keep their religion to themselves and treat it as a personal relationship with their "higher power" or "creator" or "savior" or whatever - that's all good. But when you start pushing it on everyone else - demanding that you have a monopoly on morality and that whatever you believe to be right or whatever is in your book is "the truth" that everyone else must live by - you're asking for a fight.

    Gloves are off - come at me, assholes!

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    Wow. I'm an atheist, but you're ridiculous.

    It's established policy to exempt those with contradictory religious beliefs. The Amish are exempt from this. The Quakers were exempt from the draft. Seventh-Day Adventists could draw unemployment for refusing work on the Sabbath. Prisoners' religious beliefs must be accommodated.

    This, is fundamental stuff. This is no different than forcing Jewish schools to provide pork for their students while providing an exception for a synagogue.

    Oh, and just to point out your unabashed ignorance:

    Despite criticism over Bush's "faith-based Presidency," Barack Obama has been just as religious. “We worship an awesome God in the blue states,” he said at his famous '04 Democratic Convention speech. In '06, he talked about having a “Covenant for a New America.” In '08, he said religious faith could be “the foundation of a new project of American renewal” and insisted that “secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square.”

    He even kept Bush's office of Faith-based Initiatives. As recently as last Thur., he admitted that he prays every day, and talked about how his Christian faith drives each decision he makes.

    Somehow it's okay for LIBERAL Christians to force their beliefs on others, just not CONSERVATIVE Christians.

    Faith-based liberal dogma good, everything else bad.


    Quote Originally Posted by The J Man View Post
    So if you were a devout Catholic, why would you go to a Catholic hospital for birth control or an abortion in the first place? That just seems strange to me. I personally don't think they should have to cover the full cost if it violates their religious values. But then again, that brings me back to my first question.
    It's that these hospitals would have to pay for contraception, etc., for their employees under ObamaCare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    The bottom line is those religious conservatives want to control what happens between a woman's legs.
    Dude I have spent my whole life working on that! It can be a challenge at times! And worth praying for!
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    The Army said Tuesday that a request for chaplains not to read a letter in Sunday Mass that expressed disapproval of a new regulation in the Obama administration's health care law was not an attempt to "censor," but rather a cautionary move to preserve "military order and discipline."

    The Army acknowledged that Chief of Chaplains Donald Rutherford had asked chaplains to only distribute, but not read, the Jan. 26 letter sent by Archbishop Timothy P. Broglio. The concern was apparently over a single line.

    "The Chief of Chaplains was concerned that one line in the 456-word letter could be misinterpreted as a call to civil disobedience within our nation's military ranks," the statement said.

    A senior Army official separately confirmed that the offending line stated: "We cannot -- we will not -- comply with this unjust law." The official confirmed that "there was a worry that would be a call for civil obedience."

    The Army statement went on to say that the chief of chaplains was not rendering a judgment on the letter's message, but acted only out of "concern that a single line might run counter to proper military order and discipline."

    "Any suggestion that he or the Army were attempting to censor the clergy is not supported by the facts," the Army said.

    According to the Army, Secretary John McHugh was not involved in the issue until after Rutherford sent out his request. The Army said McHugh later spoke with the archbishop, who offered to remove the offending line, and that the "amended letter" was redistributed and read on Sunday at Army chapels.

    "We consider this matter closed," the Army said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    It's that these hospitals would have to pay for contraception, etc., for their employees under ObamaCare.
    Ah, that's right. Still, I don't think they should be mandated to do anything. Government should not regulate religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWood919 View Post
    Ya know what? I'm sick of this crap from the right-wingers and their whole "OH MY GOD! They're attacking our religion" crap. Ya know what? No they're not! They're protecting the rights of Americans. PERIOD.

    But if you want a war, you bigoted, racist, homophobic assholes, FINE! IT'S WAR! I will side with Obama and millions more against you and your crazy-ass RELIGION! I'll be friends and allies with those who keep their religion to themselves and treat it as a personal relationship with their "higher power" or "creator" or "savior" or whatever - that's all good. But when you start pushing it on everyone else - demanding that you have a monopoly on morality and that whatever you believe to be right or whatever is in your book is "the truth" that everyone else must live by - you're asking for a fight.

    Gloves are off - come at me, assholes!

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