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    WOW. if Obama doesn't reject this he has no guts at all...

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    America is opening up a new warfront and it’s in your own backyard. It’s in your neighbor’s house, it’s three states over and it’s on the other side of the Mississippi.
    That’s what a new legislation could lead to and the consequences are dire and constitutionally damning.
    The United States Senate is set to vote this week on a bill that would categorize the entire USA as a “battlefield,” allowing law enforcement duties to be dished out by the American Military, who in turn could detain any US citizen as a war criminal — even coming into their own homes to issue arrests.
    The National Defense Authorization Act regularly comes before Congress for changes and additions, but the latest provision, S. 1867, proves to be the most powerful one yet in raping constitutional freedoms from Americans. Move over, Patriot Act. Should S. 1867 pass, lawmakers could conjure the text to keep even regular citizens detained indefinitely by their own military.
    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a supporter of the bill, has explicitly stated that the passing of S. 1867 would “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and could lead to the detention of citizens without charge or trial, writes Chris Anders of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Washington office.
    Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H) sits on the same side of the aisle and agrees wholeheartedly. “America is part of the battlefield,” says the lawmaker.
    America’s Military is already operating in roughly 200 countries, dishing out detention and executions to citizens of other nations. As unrest erupts on the country’s own soil amid a recession, economic collapse and protests in hundreds of cities from coast-to-coast, is it that much of a surprise that lawmakers finally want to declare the US a warzone?
    Maybe not, but if the Senate has their way, the consequential could be detrimental to the US Constitution.
    “The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president — and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world,” adds Anders. “The power is so broad that even US citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.”
    “American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good idea? And why now?” asks Anders.
    Just like its supporters, the provision has attracted its share of critics as well. The Obama administration has threatened to veto the bill if it makes its way through Congress, but given the president’s poor standing among the American public (his disapproval rating is at its highest ever in recent polling), a hawkish Republican could usurp Obama as commander-in-chief as the 2012 election is less than a year away and the unemployment level stays stagnant and sad. With the exception of Congressman Ron Paul, the frontrunners currently vying for the Republican Party’s nomination for the presidency have remained outspoken in their support for not just increasing American military presence overseas at a time when the Pentagon’s budget dwarfs many governmental sectors, but in adding provisions to the Patriot Act itself to further remove freedoms from the people.
    During last week’s GOP debate televised on CNN, former House speaker Newt Gingrich said that the country must “try to find that balancing act between our individual liberties and security.” That same night, pizzaman Herman Cain said suspected terrorists should be killed before identified and former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum suggested that Muslims should be profiled by the American government because, “obviously,” they are the group “that are most likely to be committing these crimes,” speaking broadly of his assumption of those that construct terrorist attacks.
    “I have a personal belief that you never have to give up liberty for security. You can still provide security without sacrificing our Bill of Rights,” responded Rep. Paul. “You can prevent crimes by becoming a police state . . . So if you advocate the police state, yes, you can have safety and security and you might prevent a crime, but the crime then will be against the American people and against our freedoms.”
    Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) has already aligned himself as an opponent of the legislation, but needs to garner the backing of others if he wants to keep Congress from enacting the provision. “One section of these provisions, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on US soil,” the Senator said in a speech last month. “Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 by authorizing the US military to perform law enforcement functions on American soil. That alone should alarm my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, but there are other problems with these provisions that must be resolved.”
    Udall isn’t the only one on Capitol Hill that has seen a problem with the provision, which was developed under shady circumstances. The text itself was drafted in secrecy in a closed-door meeting by US Sen. Carl Levin, D-Michigan, and Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, two of the biggest names in Washington. No hearing was held to discuss the details and it was passed in a closed-door committee meeting, reports Infowar’s Paul Joseph Watson.
    Watson continues to conjure up a list of characteristics that the Department of Homeland Security have identified as traits of domestic terrorism, calling into question past maneuvers from the government that led to those owning guns, buying gold and even donating to charity being considered America’s enemy. At last week’s debate, Ron Paul added that “It’s anybody associated with organizations, which means almost anybody can be loosely associated,” referring to how the government can use its discretion — or lack thereof — to bring terrorism charges against its own people. Calling into question the recent execution of two Americans with alleged ties to Al-Qaeda, Paul added, “So, that makes all Americans vulnerable, and now we know American citizens are vulnerable to assassination.”
    The provision itself passed in the House all the way back in May, and only now is going before the Senate. Justin Amash, a Republican representative from Cascade Township, was one of the five House Republicans that voted against it. “It is destructive of our Constitution,” he writes on his Facebook page. It would “permit the federal government to indefinitely detain American citizens on American soil, without charge or trial, at the discretion of the president.”
    Given that the passing of the provision would allow for legally lengthy and questionable detention, it becomes bizarre why Sen. McCain, a former prisoner of war, would pen such a bill. McCain was imprisoned in North Vietnam for over five years in a camp where he was detained and tortured before entering American politics.
    “The president should not have the authority to determine whether the Constitution applies to you, no matter what the allegations,” adds Amash, who also writes, “Note that it does not preclude US citizens from being detained indefinitely, without charge or trial, it simply makes such detention discretionary.
    “Please urge your Senators to oppose these outrageous provisions.”
    As a solution, Sen. Udall has offered a counter act, being dubbed the Udall Amendment, that would keep S. 1867 from its critical consequences and would instead require lawmakers to examine the necessity of detaining citizens domestically, and instead would make Congress consider whether any detention legislation is needed at all.
    In the meantime, Anders and ACLU are calling on Americans to voice their concerns to the US Senate. As political posturing keeps the country divided and the branches of government fight to find a solution to the crumbling economy, infrastructure — and now the Constitution — a solution to this problem is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the assaults on Americans that is underway.
    Makes me sick to my stomach. Fuck the republicans.

    During last week’s GOP debate televised on CNN, former House speaker Newt Gingrich said that the country must “try to find that balancing act between our individual liberties and security.”
    WOW. Thank you Newt. You fat bastard.

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    Wow, that will lead to so many unintended consequences.

    But, the fear monger in me believes it is all intended, that is just a way for the government to arrest and detain indefinitely anyone that they don't like.
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    Wow, that will lead to so many unintended consequences.

    But, the fear monger in me believes it is all intended, that is just a way for the government to arrest and detain indefinitely anyone that they don't like.
    These people should be on trail for Treason.

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    It is trojan horse legislation. It is purposely over broad and can be construed as meaning (no requirement) citizens cannot be held, when in fact they can be with more discretion from those who make the decisions. This leaves it wide open for let’s say the President to say, we have reason to believe so and so (maybe a tea partier or ows protester) are terrorists and detain them indefinately without due process. They could do this without the “requirement” because they have more discretion. The language should say citizens or lawful resident aliens “will not be detained by the military for any reason, let alone without due process.”
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    Now, where is the fucking ACLU?

    This is the shit they should care about, not whether lesbians in Alabama get to go to prom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Now, where is the fucking ACLU?

    This is the shit they should care about, not whether lesbians in Alabama get to go to prom.
    I'm hoping this is bullshit. Haven't found many other articles on it. I'd rather be wrong on some info rather than this actually being correct. It looks like something "The Onion" would put out, but sadly these days it's not impossible to believe.

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    Senate votes to advance Department of Defense authorization bill
    By Josiah Ryan - 11/30/11 11:45 AM ET

    The Senate voted on Wednesday morning to move forward with a bill to authorize funding for the Department of Defense in a 88-1 vote.

    The spending bill, S. 1867, has been pending on the Senate floor for about a week and half as floor managers Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) have attempted to corral more than 100 amendments, both germane and otherwise, that senators have attempted to tack on to the bill.

    Debate on the bill has meandered over the many activities at home and abroad that are a part of the military's scope. For example Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) argued for an amendment on Tuesday that would force children who live on military bases into surrounding public schools as a cost saving measure, and the Senate passed an amendment Tuesday night that would build a firewall around the weapons supply chain to protect from counterfeit parts from China.

    Much of the debate, however, has centered on a controversial terrorist detainee provision included in the bill that senators from both the left and the right have argued would allow for the unconstitutional detention of American citizens who are suspected of involvement in terrorism.

    Now that cloture has been obtained, Senators have 30 hours to debate the legislation and offer further amendments before the body proceeds to a vote on final passage.
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    FBI director raises concerns with detainee policy
    By DONNA CASSATA, Associated Press – 1 day ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — FBI Director Robert Mueller on Monday raised significant concerns about requiring military custody for captured suspected terrorists, arguing that the divisive provision in a sweeping defense bill could harm ongoing terrorism investigations.

    In a letter to lawmakers, Mueller detailed his concerns with the provision that mandates military custody of a suspect deemed to be a member of al-Qaida or its affiliates and involved in plotting or committing attacks on the United States. The White House has threatened a veto over the language in the bill and limits on the administration's ability to transfer suspected terrorists.

    "Because the proposed legislation applies to certain persons detained in the United States, the legislation may adversely impact our ability to continue ongoing international terrorism investigations before or after arrest, derive intelligence from those investigations and may raise extraneous issues in any future prosecution of a person covered" by the provision, Mueller wrote.

    The FBI director said the legislation would add a substantial amount of uncertainty as to what steps should be followed in a terrorism investigation in the United States. Mueller also said the provision could restrict the FBI from using a grand jury to gather records or subpoenaing witnesses.

    "The legislation ... will inhibit our ability to convince covered arrestees to cooperate immediately, and provide critical intelligence," Mueller said.

    Proponents of the provision have defended the legislation, pointing out that it includes a waiver that allows the administration to decide a suspect's fate as well as who should be covered by the requirement.

    In an op-ed Monday in The Washington Post, Armed Services Chairman Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and the panel's top Republican, Arizona's John McCain, wrote that the bill's provisions on detainees "represent a careful, bipartisan effort to provide the executive branch the clear authority, tools and flexibility of action it needs to defend us against the threat posed by al-Qaida."

    Mueller described the waiver as too cumbersome, requiring that it be obtained from the defense secretary in consultation with the secretary of state and the director of National Intelligence with a certification to Congress.

    "These limited exceptions ... fail to recognize the reality of a counterterrorism investigation," Mueller wrote. "Building rapport with, and convincing a covered individual to cooperate once arrested, is a delicate and time-sensitive skill that transcends any one interrogation session."

    The Senate resumed work on the massive defense bill Monday and approved an amendment to expand the Joint Chiefs of Staff to include the head of the National Guard. The voice vote approval reflected the overwhelming support for the amendment by Sens. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who had some 70 co-sponsors for their effort.

    The head of the National Guard represents 465,000 members of the Army and Air National Guard. In a post-Sept. 11 world, their role has changed dramatically with significant numbers of guardsmen and reservists seeing combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    "Today's National Guard is a superb 21st Century force trapped inside the 20th Century Pentagon bureaucracy," Leahy said.

    The chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the head of the services opposed the move. Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, said it could create the impression of inequity because while each service has a reserve component, only the Army and Air Force have a National Guard. Dempsey also testified earlier this month that each chief is subject to civilian oversight with a service secretary. The National Guard does not have a similar arrangement.

    The dispute over the detention policy loomed large. Not only has it drawn a veto threat, but the provision has divided senior Senate Democrats, pitting Levin against leaders of the Intelligence and Judiciary committees.

    Congress and the administration have been at odds since Obama took office over how to handle captured terror suspects. The administration insists that lawmakers are trying to limit the military, law enforcement and intelligence agents after they've succeeded in killing Osama bin Laden and Anwar al-Awlaki, delivering two body blows to al-Qaida.

    Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, in a letter to Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., the head of the Intelligence committee, has said the limits in the bill "could deny our nation the ability to respond flexibly and appropriately to unfolding events, including the capture of terrorism suspects."

    Republicans counter that their efforts are necessary to respond to an evolving, post-Sept. 11 threat, holding captured terror suspects at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and trying them by military commissions. In a not-in-my-backyard argument, lawmakers have resisted transferring suspects to the United States.

    The sweeping defense bill would authorize $662 billion for military personnel, weapons systems, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and national security programs in the Energy Department. Reflecting a period of austerity and deficit-driven cuts in military spending, the bill is $27 billion less than what Obama requested for the fiscal year beginning Oct. 1 of this year.
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    Senate rejects bid to remove detainee provisions from defense bill
    David Shepardson/ Detroit News Washington Bureau

    Washington — The Senate rejected efforts Tuesday to set aside a proposed law that would govern terrorist detention policy.

    Critics argue the new provisions — in the National Defense Authorization Act — could allow for U.S. citizens captured on American soil to be held indefinitely by the military as enemy combatants.

    The Senate rejected by a 61-37 vote an amendment by Sen. Mark Udall, D-Colo., that would have struck the provisions setting new rules on terror detainees.

    Udall said the provisions "could damage our nation's ability to combat terrorism and weaken our national security. Military officials and national security experts have said these provisions would give the military the power to indefinitely detain accused enemy combatants — including Americans captured on U.S. soil," he said.

    Sen. Carl Levin, D-Detroit, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, defended the proposal. He argues that the Supreme Court has already allowed for detention of U.S. citizens.

    "We can and must deal with the al-Qaida threat," Levin said. "If it's determined that a person is a member of al-Qaida, then that person will be held in military detention; they are at war with us, folks."

    The defense bill would give the administration "the flexibility that they want, the administration makes that determination, the procedures to make that determination."

    The White House said last week it has "serious legal and policy concerns about many of the detainee provisions in the bill."

    In a statement, the Obama administration said "some of these provisions disrupt the executive branch's ability to enforce the law and impose unwise and unwarranted restrictions on the U.S. government's ability to aggressively combat international terrorism; other provisions inject legal uncertainty and ambiguity that may only complicate the military's operations and detention practices."

    The White House strongly opposed part of the bill that appears "to mandate military custody for a certain class of terrorism suspects. This unnecessary, untested and legally controversial restriction of the president's authority to defend the nation from terrorist threats would tie the hands of our intelligence and law enforcement professionals," the administration said.

    That provision would make it mandatory for U.S. citizens accused of being enemy combatants to be held in military custody. The move "would raise serious and unsettled legal questions and would be inconsistent with the fundamental American principle that our military does not patrol our streets."

    Levin said he supported civilian trials of terror suspects, including the trial in Detroit of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who pleaded guilty to attempting to bring down a commercial airliner over Michigan on Christmas 2009.

    "Civilian trials work. There is nothing in this provision that says civilian trials won't be used, even if it's determined that somebody is a member of al-Qaida," Levin said.
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    By its decision to carry out the political and moral cleansing of our public life, the Government is creating and securing the conditions for a really deep and inner religious life.

    The advantages for the individual which may be derived from compromises with atheistic organizations do not compare in any way with the consequences which are visible in the destruction of our common religious and ethical values.

    The national Government sees in both Christian denominations the most important factor for the maintenance of our society. It will observe the agreements drawn up between the Churches and the provinces; their rights will not be touched.

    The Government, however, hopes and expects that the task of national and ethical renewal of our people, which it has set itself, will receive the same respect by the other side.

    The Government will treat all other denominations with objective and impartial justice. It cannot, however, tolerate allowing membership of a certain denomination or of a certain race being used as a release from all common legal obligations, or as a blank cheque for unpunishable behavior, or for the toleration of crimes. [The national Government will allow and confirm to the Christian denominations the enjoyment of their due influence in schools and education.] And it will be concerned for the sincere cooperation between Church and State.

    The struggle against the materialistic ideology and for the erection of a true people's community (Volksgemeinschaft) serves as much the interests of the German nation as of our Christian faith. ...The national Government, seeing in Christianity the unshakable foundation of the moral and ethical life of our people, attaches utmost importance to the cultivation and maintenance of the friendliest relations with the Holy See. ...

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    This is why we have the second amendment. I am loading up.
    For now, load up while you still can.
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    The 61 senator traitors that voted for the Defense Authorization act are:

    Ayotte (R-NH)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Boozman (R-AR)
    Brown (R-MA)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Coats (R-IN)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Hagan (D-NC)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Heller (R-NV)
    Hoeven (R-ND)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johanns (R-NE)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (ID-CT)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Manchin (D-WV)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Moran (R-KS)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Portman (R-OH)
    Pryor (D-AR)
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    So just trying to get a handle on whats going on here...

    Our democratically elected politicians are voting on a bill that would give the US military unlimited power to do whatever they want, all in the name of safety and security?

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