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    All stereotypes aside, I knew this was a men's team before I read the article.

    A woman's softball team would never need to look for straight ringers.

    Gay softball team accused of cheating with 'straight ringers' given trophy
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    A gay softball organization has agreed to pay an undisclosed sum to three players who were disqualified from its 2008 Gay Softball World Series because of their perceived heterosexuality. And, as part of the settlement announced late Monday, their team will be awarded the second-place trophy it was denied at the time.

    The men -- Stephen Apilado, Laron Charles and John Russ -- filed the federal lawsuit against the North American Gay Amateur Athletic Alliance last year, claiming they had been discriminated against because they were bisexual, not gay. They had played for years on a San Francisco-based team called D2. Rumors had persisted that the team was stacked with straight ringers, and when they made it all the way to the finals of the 2008 tournament in the Seattle area, others filed a protest, accusing D2 of exceeding the limit of two heterosexual players per team.

    Tournament officials convened a protest committee and brought in five D2 members for questioning. In a conference room filled with about 25 people, many of them strangers, the players were asked questions about their sexuality and private lives. The protest committee then voted on whether the men were gay.

    Two were determined to be gay, but the committee found Apilado, Charles and Russ to be straight. The organization said that at the time, the men never identified themselves as bisexual, were evasive or refused to answer questions about their sexuality. Minutes of the hearing say that Charles claimed to be gay but acknowledged being married to a woman, and Apilado initially said he was both gay and straight but then acknowledged being more attracted to women.

    The men said they weren't given the option of stating outright that they were bisexual, even though the organization considered bisexual players to be gay for roster purposes. They and their team were disqualified. One observer at the hearing commented, "This is not a bisexual World Series. This is a gay World Series."

    NAGAA said the settlement came after the organization won a series of motions limiting what claims the players could present at trial. The players initially asked the court to throw out the roster limit on straight players as discriminatory. But U.S. District Judge John Coughenour ruled that the organization had a constitutional right to limit the number of straight players as a means of promoting their message that openly gay, bisexual and transgendered individuals can thrive in competitive sports.

    The judge said the case could proceed to trial because questions remained about the way the softball association applied its rule, including whether the questions asked at the hearing were unnecessarily intrusive. The trial was set for next month. "We have been vindicated by the judge's First Amendment rulings," said Roy Melani, NAGAAA's commissioner. "This lawsuit threatened not only the purpose of our organization, but also its future. We fought hard to protect ourselves and our core identity and I am relieved this issue is finally behind us."


    Since the lawsuit was filed, NAGAAA has added language to its rules clarifying that bisexual and transgender players are fully welcomed participants in its events. As part of the settlement, the organization said disqualifying D2 was not consistent with its goal of welcoming bisexual players. "NAGAAA regrets the impacts the 2008 protest hearing had on plaintiffs and their team," the settlement reads.

    The National Center for Lesbian Rights, which represented the men, welcomed the changes but said they should go even further. The group still wants NAGAAA to delete its roster limits on straight players, on the grounds that it encompasses gay players who are in the closet or who choose not to put a label on their sexuality.

    Charles said he's looking forward to playing more softball. "It means a lot to me that NAGAAA is going to recognize our second place finish in 2008," Charles said in a statement. "I look forward to continuing to play ball with my friends, teammates and community in NAGAAA's tournaments."

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    I don't agree with Andrew Dice Clay much, but I do agree with him on bi-sexual men.

    You either suck dick, or you do not suck dick, don't try to sell me on bi-sexual!
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    Strange... Most Major League Baseball teams would love to have a good switch hitter.

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    I don't know about all of you, but what I find strange about these kinds of stories is why you would want to segregate yourselves

    why would someone go so far as to disqualify a team for having a couple of people who were "perceived" as being heterosexual. AND put them thru the witch hunt that they did.....if the tables were turned it would have been a HUGE civil rights issue.

    but this segregation just defies logic to me.

    The judge ruled that the limit of 2 heteros per team was fair because :
    But U.S. District Judge John Coughenour ruled that the organization had a constitutional right to limit the number of straight players as a means of promoting their message that openly gay, bisexual and transgendered individuals can thrive in competitive sports.

    but what does it prove? that you can thrive in a segregated competition.

    Would Greg Louganis be thought of as one of the greatest divers in history if he had only competed against other gay divers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I don't agree with Andrew Dice Clay much, but I do agree with him on bi-sexual men.

    You either suck dick, or you do not suck dick, don't try to sell me on bi-sexual!
    indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I don't agree with Andrew Dice Clay much, but I do agree with him on bi-sexual men.

    You either suck dick, or you do not suck dick, don't try to sell me on bi-sexual!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I don't agree with Andrew Dice Clay much, but I do agree with him on bi-sexual men.

    You either suck dick, or you do not suck dick, don't try to sell me on bi-sexual!

    Why can't you like both?? LOL, guys love it when a girl will go down on another girl yet love to get banged by a guy but a guy can't like both?? Guys are so weird about that stuff. I bet you would be surprised and I mean truly surprised by guys that can go both ways but keep that part very secretive because of the perception by others. I have recently learned that there are quite a few guys I know who are bi and it started clear back in high school. I would have never of dreamed of it because they are definitely into women but don't mind the occasional variety.
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    Here is my rationale with agreeing with the Diceman.

    Lets say I like to screw women and have been enjoying it for 42 years. Then one day an urge comes over me and I have sex with a boy in the showers at Penn State. Lets say I decide to mix and match women with boys for the rest of my life like Jerry Sandusky.

    Am I bisexual, hetero with pedophile tendancies or just a plain old fucking pedophile?

    I choose the latter. The extreme act defines the person. So if a dude eats pussy his whole life and then decides to suck a dick, well that dick defines him.

    Yes its a double standard where lesbians in porn are hot and gay dudes are not. However it is also a double standard where gays want equal treatment yet separate themselves into events such as this which exclude 90% of the country.

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    I hear they have like, 13 guys on the field, 'cause they have to have like 6 outfielders and 5 infielders to handle all the relay throws because no one can throw the ball that far...

    (boo, hiss...)

    The whole thing is ridiculous - fit enough to be in the military, but can't handle it if one team has more possibly "straight" players than others?

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    Zig - my point is just like someone is gay and they usually know it from a very young age, there are guys who are bi and know it from a very young age. I also think that throwing a pedophile comparison into the mix which is illegal, is not the same (and Sandusky did not just one day decide to rape little boys).

    I think you said it when you said it's a double standard. Guys that are hetero do not want to see or hear anything about gay or bi guys but think gay or bi women are hot and can't get enough. In my mind, it's all the same just some don't want to see it.
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    From a straight male perspective, men can easily be placed into one of two (and only two) groups. Diceman did a nice job describing this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveevhsince79 View Post
    Why can't you like both?? LOL, guys love it when a girl will go down on another girl yet love to get banged by a guy but a guy can't like both?? Guys are so weird about that stuff. I bet you would be surprised and I mean truly surprised by guys that can go both ways but keep that part very secretive because of the perception by others. I have recently learned that there are quite a few guys I know who are bi and it started clear back in high school. I would have never of dreamed of it because they are definitely into women but don't mind the occasional variety.
    Simple.

    A) Women are beautiful

    B) Men are ugly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Simple.

    A) Women are beautiful

    B) Men are ugly
    Ah, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I happen to think that the male anatomy can be quite beautiful as well a woman's like the gal I pointed out in the Beautiful Girls thread.
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    Very few women actually think a man's junk looks beautiful. It's like saying Lyle Lovet is good looking. Outside of Julie Roberts, nobody really found him attractive.

    Anyway, once you commit an act that is outside the mainstream, you are identified by said act. For instance I may never drink and drive but the one time I do, lands me with a DUI. Therefore I now get to drive around with party plates.

    A woman may be married for 20 years and then cheats on her husband once. She gets caught. In his eyes she is a cheater.

    Your son may have been dating women during his teens but once you catch him fondling another man's balls, well he is now gay.

    Once you go gay, you are there to stay!!!

 

 

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