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    Default VH-1 Classic's "Metal Evolution" Part 2 - The US Division

    First of all, "Metal Evolution" is going to be my favorite documentary series of all time. We're two parts into it and I'm already in love with it.

    So at the end of it, Sam Dunn points out that Van Halen basically saved American hard rock/heavy metal. Talk about triumphant. However, there's not a Van Halen song in the background. What a bummer! Kind of an anticlimax, if you ask me.

    Anyway, Mike was interviewed for this segment. He basically told us that Van Halen were claiming to be "big rock". Also, they showed the US Fest clip of Dave talking about turning the amps around so that everyone would be backstage. Ha ha ha!

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    Actually just watched this a few minutes ago. Definitely big props for VH and I think an accurate portrayal of their importance to that point. The problem was the show wrapped after literally a minute and a half of talking about VH, so hopefully they will go into more detail about it in part 3.

    It will be interesting to see in part 3 if they touch on the double-edged sword of VH: yes, they saved US metal, but they also caused the hair bands that caused its downfall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    Actually just watched this a few minutes ago. Definitely big props for VH and I think an accurate portrayal of their importance to that point. The problem was the show wrapped after literally a minute and a half of talking about VH, so hopefully they will go into more detail about it in part 3.

    It will be interesting to see in part 3 if they touch on the double-edged sword of VH: yes, they saved US metal, but they also caused the hair bands that caused its downfall.
    I was hoping for more as well. And of course, the only ones who gave interviews were the guys NOT in Van Halen.

    I am enjoying this documentary though. It's worth watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    Actually just watched this a few minutes ago. Definitely big props for VH and I think an accurate portrayal of their importance to that point. The problem was the show wrapped after literally a minute and a half of talking about VH, so hopefully they will go into more detail about it in part 3.

    It will be interesting to see in part 3 if they touch on the double-edged sword of VH: yes, they saved US metal, but they also caused the hair bands that caused its downfall.
    Hair metal was popular for about 13 years straight so I wouldn't consider that a downfall.
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    I don't think VH-1 has permission to play VH recordings. For another countdown, they showed them playing "Runnin with the Devil" live from the US Fest, but not one actual studio recording. That's def. a rights issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFVH5150 View Post
    Hair metal was popular for about 13 years straight so I wouldn't consider that a downfall.
    Well it was hair metal that eventually destroyed "metal's" popularity, so yeah, I would say it was it's downfall.

    Burn out on hair metal is how the grunge and alternative movements gained so much traction. It really wasn't until recently that a lot of these formerly popular bands have seen a resurgence.

    Unfortunately, bands trying to copy Van Halen and then take it to the next level of ridiculousness is what brought us hair metal. I get frustrated with people when they try and lump VH in with glam metal because they see pictures of Dave and his huge hair and crazy outfits. The thing I always attempt to point out to those poor, misinformed souls is that VH was no more glam than Aerosmith, but because of their period of popularity people just assume that VH falls into that category. Apparently to these folks, popular rock in the 80s = glam/hair metal
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    Well it was hair metal that eventually destroyed "metal's" popularity, so yeah, I would say it was it's downfall.

    Burn out on hair metal is how the grunge and alternative movements gained so much traction. It really wasn't until recently that a lot of these formerly popular bands have seen a resurgence.

    Unfortunately, bands trying to copy Van Halen and then take it to the next level of ridiculousness is what brought us hair metal. I get frustrated with people when they try and lump VH in with glam metal because they see pictures of Dave and his huge hair and crazy outfits. The thing I always attempt to point out to those poor, misinformed souls is that VH was no more glam than Aerosmith, but because of their period of popularity people just assume that VH falls into that category. Apparently to these folks, popular rock in the 80s = glam/hair metal
    And Van Halen remained popular for a few years after the downfall of hair metal, too, but I've read some magazines that arent guitar mags still call them a hair band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OctobanAnimal View Post
    And Van Halen remained popular for a few years after the downfall of hair metal, too, but I've read some magazines that arent guitar mags still call them a hair band.
    OctoMom is right here. VH kept kicking ass as all the hair metal bands were dropping like flies.

    However, just like they love to do, they pulled out a shotgun, and like Kurt Cobain, pulled the trigger and spattered brain on the wall. VH killed themselves after '96.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless Fable View Post
    OctoMom is right here. VH kept kicking ass as all the hair metal bands were dropping like flies.

    However, just like they love to do, they pulled out a shotgun, and like Kurt Cobain, pulled the trigger and spattered brain on the wall. VH killed themselves after '96.

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    Everything in music is replaced at some point. What happened to Hair Metal was going to happen regardless of Cobain ripping off Boston. Every music genre also gets stale and loses its street cred as well. Sure VH's influence created Tuff just like Nirvana created Bush and Pearl Jam created Creed.

    Everybody rips on Hair Metal but it still has an influence on music today. Take Weezer. Rivers Cuomo was a shredder. ANC started as a hair metal band along with Pantera. There are other musicians who are having an impact on current music today in more subtle ways. Dan Huff from Giant is a name producer in country. Keith Urban uses him along with other name artists. Butch Walker from South Gang produces people from Avril, Katy Perry, Pink etc. Hell if it wasn't for him, there would be none of these alternative pop bands since his band Marvelous 3 basically was the VH for those types of bands. Country these days is basically Hair Metal with fiddles and banjos.

    Anyway God bless hair metal. Its cool to still like it even if it got watered down. Music is supposed to lift you up. Not bring you down.

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    Sirius doesn't play much VH on their hair nation station
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    Country these days is basically Hair Metal with fiddles and banjos.

    Anyway God bless hair metal. Its cool to still like it even if it got watered down. Music is supposed to lift you up. Not bring you down.
    Agree on both counts.

    I like my angry music just like everyone else, but hair metal was just good time party music, it wasn't meant for the critics, it was meant to crank at a summer barbecue.
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    vh in 86 basically turned the tables on alot of the hairbands that were out there at the time. Instead of getting dressed up to go out onstage and shoot elaborate video's they basically said "no" and didn't even bother with video's and it wasn't uncommon to see Sam come out in a jean jacket and eddie just with a wife beater on. Look at them on the MOR tour, that is almost the exact opposite of what hairbands were doing at the time. Plus, Ed himself pulled back and stepped away from the pyrotechnics that everyone was copying off of him and focused more on songwriting. They wrote great songs, didn't depend on image at all and "let the music do the talking" that's why VH was still going strong when almost all the other hairbands faded away.

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    Just watched it and either they did a shitty job of closing that episode or they were setting up the next part to begin with VH. Perhaps after their "Big announcement" on the 30th we could get some comments from Ed, Dave or Al of today? Funny how part one closed with Sammy making the last comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by servoguy101 View Post
    Sirius doesn't play much VH on their hair nation station
    No, but they're usually the most played artist any given week on the Boneyard and often on Classic Rewind as well.

 

 

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