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    A Massachusetts law professor has created a campus firestorm with an email to colleagues that declares it would be "shameful" to send care packages to U.S. troops "who have gone overseas to kill other human beings."

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    Michael Avery, a professor at Suffolk University Law School, sent a five-paragraph email to colleagues in response to a school-wide appeal for care packages for deployed soldiers, Fox affiliate WFXT-TV reports.

    "I think it is shameful that it is perceived as legitimate to solicit in an academic institution for support for men and women who have gone overseas to kill other human beings," Avery wrote.

    The professor, who specializes in constitutional law, wrote the email last week in response to a university drive to collect items for U.S. troops, like sunblock and sanitary products. He also wrote that sympathy for American troops in harm's way is "not particularly rational in today's world."

    Paul Spera, past commander in chief of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, blasted Avery's remarks on Monday, calling the professor's argument "despicable."

    "The shameful thing is that he’s teaching our young people," Spera told FoxNews.com.

    "One of the things that we've learned from Vietnam is to separate the warriors from the war. You can be opposed to the war -- you can disagree with the tactics and the political decision involved -- but the individuals on the battle field are there protecting us," said Spera, an Army veteran who served in Vietnam.

    "Somebody has to stand up to this man," he said, noting that the recipients of such care packages are willing to "lay their lives on the line for the freedoms that this man is abusing."

    The university has since been inundated with complaints from students and alumni, claiming Avery's view is not representative of the school community.

    "I don't think that reflects the overall feelings of Suffolk Law in general," law student Marisa Roman told the station. "Clearly it's a patriotic school; we have a huge American flag up in the atrium."

    Avery reportedly takes exception to the flag as well, claiming that its hanging is "not a politically neutral act."

    "Excessive patriotic zeal is a hallmark of national security states. It permits, indeed encourages, excesses in the name of national security, as we saw during the Bush administration, and which continue during the Obama administration," he wrote.

    Suffolk University president and provost Barry Brown issued a statement saying the school supported the "free exchange of ideas and robust debate" and respected the "right of our faculty members to exercise academic freedom."

    But, Brown said, "As a diverse community, no one opinion or perspective is representative of the views of the whole community."

    "While I personally intend to donate a care package for our troops, I respect the right of others to hold a differing perspective," added Camille Nelson, dean of the university's law school. "Suffolk Law, while valuing debate on U.S. military policy, has a well-deserved reputation for supporting armed services personnel in the pursuit of their J.D. degrees and career goals."

    Avery declined to comment further on the matter when contacted Monday by FoxNews.com.

    The care package drive, meanwhile, will continue despite his objection to it.

    "There's individuals who really appreciate and need things we're sending," said student Kelly Bogua.

    "I'm participating in it and I think a lot of people are regardless of the email. If anything, he really just discredited himself," she said.

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    This guy receiving a paycheck is "not particularly rational in today's world" either. I mean come on! It's called appreciation, douchebag. Those our are sons and daughters out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voivod View Post
    A Massachusetts law professor has created a campus firestorm with an email to colleagues that declares it would be "shameful" to send care packages to U.S. troops "who have gone overseas to kill other human beings."

    http://www.thesuffolkvoice.net/news/...ersy-1.2697622


    Michael Avery, a professor at Suffolk University Law School, sent a five-paragraph email to colleagues in response to a school-wide appeal for care packages for deployed soldiers, Fox affiliate WFXT-TV reports.

    "I think it is shameful that it is perceived as legitimate to solicit in an academic institution for support for men and women who have gone overseas to kill other human beings," Avery wrote.

    The professor, who specializes in constitutional law, wrote the email last week in response to a university drive to collect items for U.S. troops, like sunblock and sanitary products. He also wrote that sympathy for American troops in harm's way is "not particularly rational in today's world."

    Paul Spera, past commander in chief of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, blasted Avery's remarks on Monday, calling the professor's argument "despicable."

    "The shameful thing is that he’s teaching our young people," Spera told FoxNews.com.

    "One of the things that we've learned from Vietnam is to separate the warriors from the war. You can be opposed to the war -- you can disagree with the tactics and the political decision involved -- but the individuals on the battle field are there protecting us," said Spera, an Army veteran who served in Vietnam.

    "Somebody has to stand up to this man," he said, noting that the recipients of such care packages are willing to "lay their lives on the line for the freedoms that this man is abusing."

    The university has since been inundated with complaints from students and alumni, claiming Avery's view is not representative of the school community.

    "I don't think that reflects the overall feelings of Suffolk Law in general," law student Marisa Roman told the station. "Clearly it's a patriotic school; we have a huge American flag up in the atrium."

    Avery reportedly takes exception to the flag as well, claiming that its hanging is "not a politically neutral act."

    "Excessive patriotic zeal is a hallmark of national security states. It permits, indeed encourages, excesses in the name of national security, as we saw during the Bush administration, and which continue during the Obama administration," he wrote.

    Suffolk University president and provost Barry Brown issued a statement saying the school supported the "free exchange of ideas and robust debate" and respected the "right of our faculty members to exercise academic freedom."

    But, Brown said, "As a diverse community, no one opinion or perspective is representative of the views of the whole community."

    "While I personally intend to donate a care package for our troops, I respect the right of others to hold a differing perspective," added Camille Nelson, dean of the university's law school. "Suffolk Law, while valuing debate on U.S. military policy, has a well-deserved reputation for supporting armed services personnel in the pursuit of their J.D. degrees and career goals."

    Avery declined to comment further on the matter when contacted Monday by FoxNews.com.

    The care package drive, meanwhile, will continue despite his objection to it.

    "There's individuals who really appreciate and need things we're sending," said student Kelly Bogua.

    "I'm participating in it and I think a lot of people are regardless of the email. If anything, he really just discredited himself," she said.

    http://michaelgraham.com/archives/su...s-world-rdquo/
    I would have agreed with these for a few years because I was quite jaded because of the wars, but it's really stupid. This is a extremely left way of thinking.

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    uh, I've worked on putting together some of these holiday packages

    I can live with my "shame"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    uh, I've worked on putting together some of these holiday packages

    I can live with my "shame"
    And thank you for that. I can say it is always nice getting something when deployed. Everyone always shares what they get so the stuff sent always benefits more than just the one it was sent to.

    This professor is wrong in his thinking.
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    Fuck that Professor.

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    The only thing disgraceful is that guy's attitude to the brave guys and girls of our services who leave their families behind to do their duty for their country and protect the freedoms we have.

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    that professor can kiss my ass

    if you are interested for the 5th year the American Red Cross will be sending holiday cards to our troops overseas

    http://www.redcross.org/holidaymail

    and to make it even easier for just a single buck you can send a card using this service

    http://www.mailforheroes.com/mailfor...tentStart.aspx

    and if you live in the Toledo area they are putting together packages again this year and you can donate until the 18th of November HURRY!

    http://easttoledo.wtol.com/news/comm...through-nov-18

    or you can check you local Red Cross or United Way to find out how you can contribute!

    it's a very worthwhile cause

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    I don't understand these people. I'm the biggest pussy in the world and wouldn't last more than 5 seconds in the armed forces and I'm not a war guy at all. But fuck, how can't you have anything but the utmost of respect for the guys and gals who put their life on the line for their country?

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    A bit ironic that his specialty is Constitutional Law, no?
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    Law Professor Quits Job After Colleague Calls Care Packages for U.S. Troops 'Shameful'

    A law professor who is serving overseas in Afghanistan has quit his job at a Massachusetts university after a colleague sent out a controversial e-mail declaring it "shameful" to send care packages to U.S. troops.

    U.S. Army Reserve Maj. Robert Roughsedge cut ties with Suffolk University in Boston in response to fellow law professor Michael Avery's defamatory e-mail regarding troops fighting overseas, Fox affiliate WFXT-TV reports.

    Avery criticized a school-wide drive to collect supplies for soldiers overseas, writing in an email to colleagues: "I think it is shameful that it is perceived as legitimate to solicit in an academic institution for support for men and women who have gone overseas to kill other human beings."

    Avery, who specializes in constitutional law, also wrote that sympathy for American troops in harm's way is "not particularly rational in today's world."

    In response to Avery's email, Roughsedge submitted his letter of resignation on Monday, telling WTXF in a telephone interview that the e-mail is "hate speech."

    "It’s basically like a 5-year-old throwing a temper tantrum," he told the station. "That is not how we teach our students to rationally look at the issues…We want rational adult discourse and that is not something I would tolerate in my class and it is not something the school should tolerate from one of its professors."

    Roughsedge was a member of the adjunct faculty at Suffolk University for eight years and taught a popular course on terrorism and the law. He left for Afghanistan in Dec. 2010 and is expected to return home to New Hampshire next month.

    The university has since been inundated with complaints from students and alumni, claiming Avery's view is not representative of the school community.

    Suffolk University president and provost Barry Brown issued a statement last week saying the school supported the "free exchange of ideas and robust debate" and respected the "right of our faculty members to exercise academic freedom."

    But, Brown said, "As a diverse community, no one opinion or perspective is representative of the views of the whole community."

    The school also said it has a proud history of supporting servicemen and women and that the care package drive is receiving a lot of support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voivod View Post
    Law Professor Quits Job After Colleague Calls Care Packages for U.S. Troops 'Shameful'

    A law professor who is serving overseas in Afghanistan has quit his job at a Massachusetts university after a colleague sent out a controversial e-mail declaring it "shameful" to send care packages to U.S. troops.

    U.S. Army Reserve Maj. Robert Roughsedge cut ties with Suffolk University in Boston in response to fellow law professor Michael Avery's defamatory e-mail regarding troops fighting overseas, Fox affiliate WFXT-TV reports.

    Avery criticized a school-wide drive to collect supplies for soldiers overseas, writing in an email to colleagues: "I think it is shameful that it is perceived as legitimate to solicit in an academic institution for support for men and women who have gone overseas to kill other human beings."

    Avery, who specializes in constitutional law, also wrote that sympathy for American troops in harm's way is "not particularly rational in today's world."

    In response to Avery's email, Roughsedge submitted his letter of resignation on Monday, telling WTXF in a telephone interview that the e-mail is "hate speech."

    "It’s basically like a 5-year-old throwing a temper tantrum," he told the station. "That is not how we teach our students to rationally look at the issues…We want rational adult discourse and that is not something I would tolerate in my class and it is not something the school should tolerate from one of its professors."

    Roughsedge was a member of the adjunct faculty at Suffolk University for eight years and taught a popular course on terrorism and the law. He left for Afghanistan in Dec. 2010 and is expected to return home to New Hampshire next month.

    The university has since been inundated with complaints from students and alumni, claiming Avery's view is not representative of the school community.

    Suffolk University president and provost Barry Brown issued a statement last week saying the school supported the "free exchange of ideas and robust debate" and respected the "right of our faculty members to exercise academic freedom."

    But, Brown said, "As a diverse community, no one opinion or perspective is representative of the views of the whole community."

    The school also said it has a proud history of supporting servicemen and women and that the care package drive is receiving a lot of support.
    Please, why is this news? 90% of college professors are like this guy. This is nothing to get outraged over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck View Post
    Please, why is this news? 90% of college professors are like this guy. This is nothing to get outraged over.
    Which guy? The guy that made the stupid statement, or the guy that quit because of it?

 

 

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