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    SPARTANBURG, S.C. (AP) Republican presidential hopefuls Herman Cain and Michele Bachmann both say they would reinstate waterboarding during interrogations of suspected terrorists, while rivals Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman both say they see the procedure as torture.
    The GOP contenders split Saturday night over whether waterboarding would be an effective tool.
    Cain says he doesn't support torture, but he says he would trust military leaders to determine what that means. He says he would return to waterboarding because he doesn't see it as torture.
    Bachmann says she supports it, while Paul says it is illegal.
    Huntsman says waterboarding diminishes U.S. standing in the world and undercuts the nation's values.
    GOP contender Mitt Romney wasn't directly asked about the issue but adds he would use whatever means necessary to protect America.
    It looks like these two are Pro torture. Dicky boy would approve.

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    Interesting to say the least.
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    Cain says he doesn't support torture, but he says he would trust military leaders to determine what that means. He says he would return to waterboarding because he doesn't see it as torture.


    Well as long as he doesn't see it as torture.
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    Anyone who makes it their lifes work and purpose to kill innocent men, women and children is a prime candidate for waterboarding. I don't give a fuck if it is torturous to them or not; if it works and saves lives, too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokgtar View Post
    Anyone who makes it their lifes work and purpose to kill innocent men, women and children is a prime candidate for waterboarding. I don't give a fuck if it is torturous to them or not; if it works and saves lives, too bad.
    But that's the question, isn't it? Does it work? More than a few people have questioned it's effectiveness when trying to extract information. If somebody is scared that they will drown and die (and more than a few people have attested to the fact that somebody could indeed drown from being waterboarded) than the claim can be made that they will say anything to avoid dying.

    If that is the case, than it is indeed torture and doesn't serve a purpose. Also, if the support for waterboarding stems from, nothing more than, this attitude:
    Anyone who makes it their lifes work and purpose to kill innocent men, women and children is a prime candidate for waterboarding.
    than, I'm sorry but it is definitely torture.
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    and this issue will get far more media attention than it deserves. If it was US policy to anally rape would be terrorists until they gave information I wouldn't care. Does waterboarding work? I don't know. Nor does just about everybody who has an opinion on it I bet.

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    This interview is worth watching in its entirety. Forget who the interviewer is; pay attention to what Ali Soufan has to say.

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    This was enlightening to me. Here, Christopher Hitchens gets waterboarded:

    Whole video is good (it's only 5:48 for God's sake), but if you just want to fast forward to the meat, go to 2:00


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    Quote Originally Posted by rocknblues81 View Post
    It looks like these two are Pro torture. Dicky boy would approve.
    Quote Originally Posted by Raldo
    Interesting to say the least.

    Oh good grief, as if we don't torture people in an assortment of ways anyhow. We've all seen the pictures of the Iraqi prisoners with electrodes attached to their testicles, etc,, etc, etc,,.
    All of this crap about how monstrous we are for waterboarding. The American public is so duped,, and willfully ignorant. It's laughable. Get real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wruff_ajax View Post
    All of this crap about how monstrous we are for waterboarding. The American public is so duped,, and willfully ignorant. It's laughable. Get real.
    Well you raise a good point. I don't even think this is a matter for the American public, it should be decided by our intel/state people. I don't want Michael Moore and Pamela Anderson dictating what our foreign policy should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    How could some guy whose expertise is managing a pizza company give effective advice on such a question?
    Guess you never ate a Godfathers Pizza. Now that was pure torture!
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    Regardless of details of danger, use etc, to officially reinstate waterboarding as policy (or possibility) would be extremely detrimental to the US in political and diplomatic terms.

    Most, myself included, had never even heard of waterboarding until a few years ago. It was widely condemned, contravened the Geneva convention and then a President officially pulled the plug and banned it's use. To go back now would be a public declaration that torture is actually acceptable. No judge or jury. No innocent til proven guilty. Any moral highground that may have been regained would be lost in an instant, before anyone was even waterboarded.

    Then there is the issue of what actually constitutes a terrorist. Forget the bearded, AK47 wielding Arab. What about domestic terrorists? The white guy with the gun collection and the Ron Paul bumper sticker. Check out the MIAC report - I'm sure it's online somewhere. Arrested and before any lawyer comes in, that Militia guy is being hooded and strapped to a table. Slippery slope.

    Further military action as part of an international coalition would surely be jeopardised if it were publicly reinstated too. It's not just how it is seen in the Arab world. It is what Western partners think that is vitally important here, in terms of future cooperation.

    Every country engages in torture to some degree or other. It's a fact of war and always has been, but to brazenly make it official policy would be a disaster.

    As for Bachmann. The woman is a fucking idiot of the highest order and her spitting little speech on the subject was embarrassing and did a great disservice to a country still crawling out from under the cloud of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

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    I just think the United States has set higher standards for itself as a country, and should not resort to using torture techniques.

    I know many will disagree, and that is fine, but I just think we are losing our sense of what we are about do to fear of terrorism.
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