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    Default Ok. I have a good Kramer question. 5150

    The Kramer 5150. We all love it. Some have built one. I have. Some love the tone and try to get close. But live recordings are tough to get a good idea of the real sound of a guitar. Also if it sounded so good, why did Ed put a Wolfgang pickup in it?

    Anyway, my question. Besides Judgement Day, when did EVH use the Kramer in the studio? Maybe OU812? I'm not sure about that. I'm hoping you guys know! Thanks.

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    He used the 5150 almost exclusively starting with the 1984 tour and the 5150 album. Of course it was his main guitar through 0U812 and the Monsters of Rock tour. Then the signature guitars came in with F.U.C.K. and the 5150 was more or less retired, excepting for the recording of "Judgement Day" as you mentioned. That's it...

    To hear what the guitar sounded like straight into an amp, watch and listen to the David Letterman appearances from the mid 80s...
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    I have an old interview where he said he used the 5150 on some of the FUCK tracks until the first EBMM prototypes started rolling in. Until the 5150 album, he never used a Floyd in the studio because he said they sounded too bright, and opted for his trusty old 50's Fender trem, but my guess is that as he got older and honestly started losing the highs in his hearing (The ones that go first with hearing loss) he probably didn't notice the brightness as much and the 5150 with the Floyd was fine to him by that point.
    As far as him swapping in a Wolf pickup....Probably mainly for the same reason. The wolf pickups are progressively brighter from his original tone, to the EBMM, then to the Wolfie which actually have a little more twang than the previous units, so he probably just assumed the 5150's pickup was getting to dark, or "fading" just as he said his Marshall had begun to do after changing the rectifier, but...
    the guy who restored his Marshall even said that pre restoration and post, there was not a discernable difference in the amps frequency response, but that at least it was in a less battle scared state with the proper value components back in place, and a fresh set of transformers installed.
    I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was all Ed.

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    i think the wolfgang pick up was in their because he was simply endorsing peavey wolfgangs and it maintained a bit of his usual wolfgang into peavey 5150 amps tone. i think he played it more for crowd reaction than tone otherwise he wouldnt use it for just one song.
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    the 5150 was used for the 5150 and OU812 records and on judgement day. i would guess that when he brought it out briefly in 04' with a Wolfgang PUP it was because its what he was used to at the time and worked with his setup.

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    Actually, I read he said he used the 1984 Kramer for Good Enough. A Strat for BOBW Then the Franky for the rest of 5150. I didn't think the Kramer 5150 was ever really used to record.

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    Eddie said he used the Kramer 5150 for most of OU812.
    He talked about how the frets were getting worn out after he recorded that album.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFU View Post
    Actually, I read he said he used the 1984 Kramer for Good Enough. A Strat for BOBW Then the Franky for the rest of 5150. I didn't think the Kramer 5150 was ever really used to record.
    nope. right about BOBW, not sure on GE, but steinberger for summer nights and get up, 5150 for the rest. no franky

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFU View Post
    Actually, I read he said he used the 1984 Kramer for Good Enough. A Strat for BOBW Then the Franky for the rest of 5150. I didn't think the Kramer 5150 was ever really used to record.
    And he used his 58 Korina V for the rhythm track for "5150".

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFU View Post
    Actually, I read he said he used the 1984 Kramer for Good Enough. A Strat for BOBW Then the Franky for the rest of 5150. I didn't think the Kramer 5150 was ever really used to record.
    The 5150 was the main guitar for the 5150 album. The strat may have been used as an overdubbed clean/slightly dirty and chorused guitar for "BOBW", but I believe the 5150 guitar was still the main guitar on that track and most of the other tracks on 5150. The 1984 with the bass string was likely used for "Good Enough", the Steinberger TransTrem for "Get Up" and "Summer Nights", the 5150 guitar was likely the guitar used to record the song "5150", as well as the main guitar parts of "Why Can't This Be Love","Dreams", "Love Walks In" and "Inside". The Kramer Ferrington was also on "Dreams" and I'm sure there were other guitars at various points. But I'm talking about the main electric guitar parts...

    For 0U812, the 5150 was likely the main electric guitar on "Mine All Mine" and the electric overdubs on "When It's Love" (the '57 sunburst maple neck strat with "5150" scratched in the body was the guitar used for the Clapton-like solo on "When It's Love"). "A.F.U." was probably the 5150 guitar again and "Cabo Wabo" probably featured the 5150 guitar in the mix, though IMHO the dominant guitar in the mix on that tune is the Fender XII electric 12-string guitar."Feels So Good" almost definitely featured the 5150 guitar (the strums behind the nut during the song sound at pitches that reflect a Floyd with a small string tree on the B and E strings). "Finish What Ya Started" has the Kramer Ferrington and a clean strat-probably the sunburst strat again, though Ed is playing the red Airline guitar in the video. That Airline guitar was used to record Eddie's parts on their cover of Little Feat's "A Apolitical Blues".
    The 5150 guitar was the likely guitar on "Sucker In A Three Piece" and "Black and Blue".

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    Quote Originally Posted by we die young View Post
    Until the 5150 album, he never used a Floyd in the studio because he said they sounded too bright, and opted for his trusty old 50's Fender trem, but my guess is that as he got older and honestly started losing the highs in his hearing (The ones that go first with hearing loss) he probably didn't notice the brightness as much and the 5150 with the Floyd was fine to him by that point.
    The first album to feature the Floyd Rose was Women and Children First, probably on the unfinished guitar shown from the Zloz pictures during the sessions for that album. There is no standard Fender tremolo guitar on WACF or any of the rest of Van Halen's albums...everytime you hear a tremolo bar being used on a Van Halen record from Women and Children First onwards it is a Floyd Rose, excepting the tracks where he used a Steinberger TransTrem. The standard Fender tremolo was used only on the first album and Van Halen II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garbeaj View Post
    The 5150 was the main guitar for the 5150 album. The strat may have been used as an overdubbed clean/slightly dirty and chorused guitar for "BOBW", but I believe the 5150 guitar was still the main guitar on that track and most of the other tracks on 5150. The 1984 with the bass string was likely used for "Good Enough", the Steinberger TransTrem for "Get Up" and "Summer Nights", the 5150 guitar was likely the guitar used to record the song "5150", as well as the main guitar parts of "Why Can't This Be Love","Dreams", "Love Walks In" and "Inside". The Kramer Ferrington was also on "Dreams" and I'm sure there were other guitars at various points. But I'm talking about the main electric guitar parts...

    For 0U812, the 5150 was likely the main electric guitar on "Mine All Mine" and the electric overdubs on "When It's Love" (the '57 sunburst maple neck strat with "5150" scratched in the body was the guitar used for the Clapton-like solo on "When It's Love"). "A.F.U." was probably the 5150 guitar again and "Cabo Wabo" probably featured the 5150 guitar in the mix, though IMHO the dominant guitar in the mix on that tune is the Fender XII electric 12-string guitar."Feels So Good" almost definitely featured the 5150 guitar (the strums behind the nut during the song sound at pitches that reflect a Floyd with a small string tree on the B and E strings). "Finish What Ya Started" has the Kramer Ferrington and a clean strat-probably the sunburst strat again, though Ed is playing the red Airline guitar in the video. That Airline guitar was used to record Eddie's parts on their cover of Little Feat's "A Apolitical Blues".
    The 5150 guitar was the likely guitar on "Sucker In A Three Piece" and "Black and Blue".
    actually Garbeaj, Ed did use a strat with 5150 carved into the body for the song 5150 in the studio. I have an interview where I just read that and have pics of the fender strat he used. He trashed that strat by carving 5150 into the body. Man what a shame.... ha ha..
    yes the 1984 Kramer was used for Good Enough and Ed had an A Bass string in place of the low E for the heavy thump on that song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5150rob View Post
    actually Garbeaj, Ed did use a strat with 5150 carved into the body for the song 5150 in the studio. I have an interview where I just read that and have pics of the fender strat he used. He trashed that strat by carving 5150 into the body. Man what a shame.... ha ha..
    yes the 1984 Kramer was used for Good Enough and Ed had an A Bass string in place of the low E for the heavy thump on that song.
    BTW, stay tuned for up to date pics of my 84 kramer I am building. Painting is almost complete.
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    The '57 Strat has a standard tremolo and you hear Floyd Rose on the solos on that track so it definitely was not the standard '57 strat for the leads. I believe that the main guitar track for the song "5150" could have been the Flying V...there is no tremolo on the main guitar track for the song and often that means he used a hardtail guitar for the track which may have been a hardtail strat, but I doubt it. I don't hear any strat on the song "5150", but he may have added another layer to the rhythm track which could have been a strat, but I don't hear it...I know that the strat was definitely used to record the solo of "When It's Love" and possibly "Finish What Ya Started"...

    Glad to hear about the 1984! I know you miss the one you made before

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    Quote Originally Posted by garbeaj View Post
    The 5150 was the main guitar for the 5150 album. The strat may have been used as an overdubbed clean/slightly dirty and chorused guitar for "BOBW", but I believe the 5150 guitar was still the main guitar on that track and most of the other tracks on 5150. The 1984 with the bass string was likely used for "Good Enough", the Steinberger TransTrem for "Get Up" and "Summer Nights", the 5150 guitar was likely the guitar used to record the song "5150", as well as the main guitar parts of "Why Can't This Be Love","Dreams", "Love Walks In" and "Inside". The Kramer Ferrington was also on "Dreams" and I'm sure there were other guitars at various points. But I'm talking about the main electric guitar parts...

    For 0U812, the 5150 was likely the main electric guitar on "Mine All Mine" and the electric overdubs on "When It's Love" (the '57 sunburst maple neck strat with "5150" scratched in the body was the guitar used for the Clapton-like solo on "When It's Love"). "A.F.U." was probably the 5150 guitar again and "Cabo Wabo" probably featured the 5150 guitar in the mix, though IMHO the dominant guitar in the mix on that tune is the Fender XII electric 12-string guitar."Feels So Good" almost definitely featured the 5150 guitar (the strums behind the nut during the song sound at pitches that reflect a Floyd with a small string tree on the B and E strings). "Finish What Ya Started" has the Kramer Ferrington and a clean strat-probably the sunburst strat again, though Ed is playing the red Airline guitar in the video. That Airline guitar was used to record Eddie's parts on their cover of Little Feat's "A Apolitical Blues".
    The 5150 guitar was the likely guitar on "Sucker In A Three Piece" and "Black and Blue".
    The Strat is the main guitar on BOBW and the 5150 was used for the solo. If you listen to it then there's no doubt that it's a Strat in position 2 (bridge and middle pickup). Ed used a Flying-V for the song 5150.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garbeaj View Post
    The '57 Strat has a standard tremolo and you hear Floyd Rose on the solos on that track so it definitely was not the standard '57 strat for the leads. I believe that the main guitar track for the song "5150" could have been the Flying V...there is no tremolo on the main guitar track for the song and often that means he used a hardtail guitar for the track which may have been a hardtail strat, but I doubt it. I don't hear any strat on the song "5150", but he may have added another layer to the rhythm track which could have been a strat, but I don't hear it...I know that the strat was definitely used to record the solo of "When It's Love" and possibly "Finish What Ya Started"...

    Glad to hear about the 1984! I know you miss the one you made before
    you are right. funny how all these people respond like they were in the room and saw these things as fact.

 

 

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