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    What if the NFL played by Teacher's Rules ??? by Fran Tarkenton

    As published in the Wall Street Journal, Monday, October 3, page A17

    What if the NFL Played by Teachers' Rules?

    Imagine a league where players who make it through three seasons could never be cut from the roster.


    By Fran Tarkenton --- NFL Hall of Fame quarterback with the Minnesota Vikings and the New York Giants from 1961 to 1978.

    Imagine the National Football League in an alternate reality. Each player's salary is based on how long he's been in the league. It's about tenure, not talent. The same scale is used for every player, no matter whether he's an All-Pro quarterback or the last man on the roster. For every year a player's been in this NFL, he gets a bump in pay. The only difference between Tom Brady and the worst player in the league is a few years of step increases. And if a player makes it through his third season, he can never be cut from the roster until he chooses to retire, except in the most extreme cases of misconduct.

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    I'm sure that if they paid teachers what guys make in the NFL for playing a game, they would be more than happy to "play" by the same rules as the NFL. They get paid multi-millions to play a game.

    What an asinine comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetm View Post
    I'm sure that if they paid teachers what guys make in the NFL for playing a game, they would be more than happy to "play" by the same rules as the NFL. They get paid multi-millions to play a game.

    What an asinine comparison.
    It's not. It's a laymans explanation of how unions and socialists have royally fucked up our country.
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    Um... Aren't the NFL players in a union too??

    Listen, nothing is all bad or all good. But to compare multi-million dollar making game players to those who for the most part chose their profession because of an intrinsic desire to help people is just not accurate.

    And this overwhelming desire in some to demonize teachers has just got to stop. Research first why tenure was instituted and perhaps a little perspective will occur. Not all are perfect I agree. But most are good hard working people with the best of intensions often working in extremely difficult environments with little home support. Perhaps if we supported them more and allowed for the fact that many children enter the system woefully unprepared with even the basic of pre-school skills, perhaps true conversation could occur as to realistic solutions that involve all who have a hand in the upbringing of a child.

    But comparisons and blanket statements and slogans??? Too easy and quite frankly, too lazy.

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    one of the dumbest comparisons ever made.

    My personal favourite part was his explaining what would happen if stars weren't paid stupid amounts of money:

    "Let's face the truth about this alternate reality: The on-field product would steadily decline. Why bother playing harder or better and risk getting hurt?"

    Here's an answer, maybe because teachers give a fuck about their profession. Apparently, according to Fran, NFL players don't share similar feelings about their profession.
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    Just like any job some are good at it some suck. I think this is over kill by Fran. Its like saying all republicans are racist and no democrats are. What do you expect from a 3 time Superbowl loser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    one of the dumbest comparisons ever made.

    My personal favourite part was his explaining what would happen if stars weren't paid stupid amounts of money:

    "Let's face the truth about this alternate reality: The on-field product would steadily decline. Why bother playing harder or better and risk getting hurt?"

    Here's an answer, maybe because teachers give a fuck about their profession. Apparently, according to Fran, NFL players don't share similar feelings about their profession.
    There's a lot of truth to his statements, I believe.

    I have seen it first hand. There are language arts/English teachers that have interactive presentations each day. They make their own sheets for the kids. The come up with projects. They assign and read lots of writing. They're reading new books with the class. They are a 2nd-year teacher and make $40,000.

    Meanwhile, a math teacher on campus literally teaches out of the book. If a student has a question, he refers them to the book. If that doesn't answer the question, then they should figure it out themselves. Then the kids do problems out of the book for 40 minutes while he inputs yesterdays work. All of the work is done by scantron, and his teacher aid (a student) can do it for him. Instead of doing what some math teachers do, which is look at how a student did a problem and give partial credit for process, this teacher grades right or wrong because it is all bubbled in. This teacher has been teaching for 30 years. He makes $80,000.

    If you think it isn't true, think again. I know plenty of PE teachers who have tenure and they literally roll out the ball making $85,000 with a masters in coaching. They sit and flirt with their TAs all period.

    I also know PE teachers that taught their students about nutrition, heatlh, exercise, as well as sports. They ahd projects like bringing in a fast food burger and looking up the nutrition facts, etc.

    They got laid off due to lack of seniority.

    I don't know what the best system is, but the current US system doesn't work very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    There's a lot of truth to his statements, I believe.

    I have seen it first hand. There are language arts/English teachers that have interactive presentations each day. They make their own sheets for the kids. The come up with projects. They assign and read lots of writing. They're reading new books with the class. They are a 2nd-year teacher and make $40,000.

    Meanwhile, a math teacher on campus literally teaches out of the book. If a student has a question, he refers them to the book. If that doesn't answer the question, then they should figure it out themselves. Then the kids do problems out of the book for 40 minutes while he inputs yesterdays work. All of the work is done by scantron, and his teacher aid (a student) can do it for him. Instead of doing what some math teachers do, which is look at how a student did a problem and give partial credit for process, this teacher grades right or wrong because it is all bubbled in. This teacher has been teaching for 30 years. He makes $80,000.

    If you think it isn't true, think again. I know plenty of PE teachers who have tenure and they literally roll out the ball making $85,000 with a masters in coaching. They sit and flirt with their TAs all period.

    I also know PE teachers that taught their students about nutrition, heatlh, exercise, as well as sports. They ahd projects like bringing in a fast food burger and looking up the nutrition facts, etc.

    They got laid off due to lack of seniority.

    I don't know what the best system is, but the current US system doesn't work very well.
    There's certainly some truth to the statement of "pay and work quality need to be linked" but his comparison is laughable. Principals and school boards need more power to dismiss terrible teachers. But the terrible ones (at least up here) are a tiny percentage.

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    Fran was comparing the "Rules" that the NFL players work by and Rules that Teachers work by .... NOT their actual Pay.

    Teachers are funded by Public tax Dollars.

    The system is broke, and a "new" schools across America will not fix the broken system that is Public Education.

    You take ANY system where there is Mandatory Public tax dollars, and you will find a lot of people at that trough, some very good people, and many many people their for the public tax dollars.

    How else do you explain a public education system that has only gotten worse over the years and billions and billions of public tax dollars spent ? ? ?

    Look at the shit fight that the Wis. teachers put up about their blotated fucking entitlements of health care.

    Everyone can't have a Gold Plated Health Care Package. There is not enough dollars. Do the fucking math for Christ's sake !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rover View Post
    Fran was comparing the "Rules" that the NFL players work by and Rules that Teachers work by .... NOT their actual Pay.

    Teachers are funded by Public tax Dollars.

    The system is broke, and a "new" schools across America will not fix the broken system that is Public Education.

    You take ANY system where there is Mandatory Public tax dollars, and you will find a lot of people at that trough, some very good people, and many many people their for the public tax dollars.

    How else do you explain a public education system that has only gotten worse over the years and billions and billions of public tax dollars spent ? ? ?

    Look at the shit fight that the Wis. teachers put up about their blotated fucking entitlements of health care.

    Everyone can't have a Gold Plated Health Care Package. There is not enough dollars. Do the fucking math for Christ's sake !!!!
    a horribly run education system perhaps? An inability to hire good teachers? An influx of illegal immigrants who don't speak english in the classroom? Oversized classes? Bunch of factors I reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    An influx of illegal immigrants who don't speak english in the classroom?
    Who are required to take state tests (at least in California) written in English .Go figure..

 

 

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