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    How do people feel about the cd's sound? Not the mix, but the actual EQ and overall sound quality? I have just been listening to the CD on my studio/mix speakers (where I do most of my audio work) and am disappointed in sounds. The cd feels overally dark and compressed to me in the sound. To me, there seems to be little space and the overall imagine of the tracks not what I'd expect.

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    P.S. I love the cd, I'm just thinking more technically about the engineering of the recording and the mix/master.

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    It's the current trend, and I don't like it.

    Compress the shit out of it so that we can make it as loud as possible.

    However, that being said, I didn't feel like the CFIII cd was any worse than what is considered current practice.
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    I've only heard mp3s of varying quality, but overall it's ok. A little disappointed
    in that I don't see how it's all that "heavy" sounding as reported, but a good
    classic rock without sounding dated. Sometimes it sounds a little washed out.

    That said, my qualms with the sonics are more in the mix. I think the leads
    could've been boosted a little more in that Joe tends to overdub higher
    register, widdly-widdly licks throughout that get a little buried under the
    mid-rangey rhythm guitars.

    And I'll catch hell for this, but to me the bass playing is the weakest link.
    Not that it's bad - Mike has always been a Stay-outta-the-way player, but
    some squandered opportunities here, like on Come Closer. It's still a great
    song, but I felt it lacked the smooth and groovy line it was begging for and
    that it sounds like he learned the changes that day and just follows along.

    Is it possible to have a civil, critical discussion here?

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    Production is MUCH better than the first album. Listen to the difference. Much brighter and sonically pleasing.

    The other stuff, I'm not arguing. I'm not bothered by anything on this album like you guys are. I'll leave that to those that are.
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    I don't mind the sound, but it is the current trend, so there is an obvious compromise. Reason I've been given by an engineer friend is because of MP3 being the go to format, as even most folks who buy the CD will probably rip it, and put it on their Ipod, or whatever... so in order to get the best sound for MP3, much higher compression, limiting, and more emphasis on tightening up the low and the higher end of the EQ gives the best result for an Ipod, or other MP3 player.

    I found a similar effect on the AIC Black gives Way To Blue CD as well. I expected the disc to sound better, but in actuality, it sounds better to me on my MP3 player in my truck. Never thought I'd say that before, but things have changed a lot since the last Metallica album among others that sounded totally over saturated, and the horrible sizzling highs on the disc, that only sounded worse when ripped to MP3....Sounded all crystalized.

    I'll have to see how it sounds ripped...but it probably sounds pretty good.

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    it's fine.

    PS - how's that for a detailed answer?

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    By today's standards I think the CD sounds good. The master is over-compressed as usual--but not as bad some albums from the last ten years. I think Mike Fraser did well making the mixes consistent from one to the next. By comparison, the Balance album (16 years ago) sounds excellent to my ears--everything I want to hear from analog recording. Those mixes (also done by Mike Fraser) are somewhat inconsistent from one to the next. Sammy's vocal would be way up front on one song ("The Seventh Seal") and buried deep in another ("Aftershock"). Also, listen closely to the end of "Not Enough" and you'll hear the cymbals cut out abruptly while the final chord is still ringing out. Gates taking over? A bussed drum mix getting pulled down early? I don't know. It always sounded just a little sloppy to me. But back to CF III... I would be curious to hear the mixes before mastering. I've heard some excellent sounding digital 24/96 albums that easily satisfy my conditioned-on-analog ears. In the case of CF III I'd like to know if it's more the result of the recording/mix or the master. (My guess is the latter.)

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    Sounds pretty good, but I thought the first one sounded better. More "live", if you will. I felt the low ends jumped out at you a little more on the first one.
    Still like this one, though.
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    I hate how CD's are mixed now. Satch already uses a lot of compression and to put even more due to the current trends just kills tone for me. I know if a VH album comes out it will be the same thing. I really would love for bands to record albums like back in the day. Throw some mics in an open room and let the shit breathe. The album is compressed like Rosie O'Donnell wearing skinny jeans.

    It sounds ok but compare it to albums even in the 90's it sounds a bit lifeless.

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    More thoughts on the sounds of III...

    The more I hear the album, the more I think they got the snare sound just right. Chad hits damn hard, and the bright "ping" tone they got on the first album--not to mention the awkward overtones from too much compression/a freaking out drum head from being so hard--is gone on this record. It was probably a simple matter of loosening the head a tad and/or setting a late release on the compression. No matter how they got it, the snare sounds MUCH better this time around. I would like to hear louder toms throughout the album.

    I've been building out my new recording studio in my house for the last several weeks. This past week I've been able to listen to CF III while working, and I'm doing so on a set of my studio monitors. Those monitors, like most, were designed to deliver "flat" tone. Through them the album actually sounds damn good. When my car stereo or home stereo are set to their typical "rock" EQ (boosted lows and highs) the album gets cracklier sounding.

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    Any thoughts on the sound of Joe's guitar on the Come Closer solo? He pretty much duplicated it exactly for the webcast, but to me it sounds really distorted and ugly... kind of like really loud 80's synthesizer's. Not that I don't like it, but sounds odd in that song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 47 View Post
    Any thoughts on the sound of Joe's guitar on the Come Closer solo? He pretty much duplicated it exactly for the webcast, but to me it sounds really distorted and ugly... kind of like really loud 80's synthesizer's. Not that I don't like it, but sounds odd in that song.
    He's most likely using a Digitech Whammy pedal, accomplishing that multi-octave effect. That pedal has been around now for 20 years, and it tends to have a "digital quality" to its tone, which has actually become one of the things players like about it. (Tom Morello was perhaps the first big name to make it popular with Rage Against The Machine.) Satch is arpeggiating the chords of the progression on that effect. I personally love it. Such a simple idea, but it sounds so interesting and beautiful in the context of that song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AT View Post
    He's most likely using a Digitech Whammy pedal, accomplishing that multi-octave effect. That pedal has been around now for 20 years, and it tends to have a "digital quality" to its tone, which has actually become one of the things players like about it. (Tom Morello was perhaps the first big name to make it popular with Rage Against The Machine.) Satch is arpeggiating the chords of the progression on that effect. I personally love it. Such a simple idea, but it sounds so interesting and beautiful in the context of that song.
    Thanks AT. I like the sound he got. It sounds like he purposely wanted to get an angry, nasty feeling to go against the theme of the lyrics... like whoever he's talking to isn't listening. That's just how I hear things in songs sometimes though.

    On a similar note, I like the solo in Alright Alright that sounds to me like the words that Sam can't believe are coming out of her mouth... that ones a keeper.

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    Not trying to be a smartass, but I thought I recalled seeing this somewhere. Turns out I believe he uses the Electro-Harmonix POG and Micro POG, perhaps even together sometimes for a fuller effect. I seem to recall hearing this type of a "keyboard" sound when he played the first solo (normally the Jon Lord solo) during the live Highway Star encore. I have a Boss PS-5 that I rarely use and I was going to fool around and take a stab at this Come Closer solo sometime.

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    It could be a POG but I'd bet my left testicle that it's a Whammy. Satch has been using one to great effect for quite a while, check out the tune 'Searching' for another great example of him using a Whammy over a few arpeggio's.
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