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    When Jeremy Hoven put his concealed carry permit to use for self-defense purposes during an armed robbery last May, he was fired by his employer, Walgreens. Though Hoven defended the use of his weapon by asserting he feared for his life, and while no one was injured during the encounter, Walgreens issued a pink slip, prompting Hoven to file a wrongful termination lawsuit.



    At a Walgreens in Benton Township, Michigan, two armed robbers wearing masks burst in at 4:30 am with weapons drawn. Pharmacist Jeremy Hoven was working behind his counter when he saw the attackers grab the Walgreens store manager as a hostage. The men also jumped behind Hoven’s counter, with their weapons drawn. While one of the masked men held a gun to the head of one of the Walgreens’ employees, the other attempted to shoot Hoven three times, but his gun would not fire.

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    Hoven attempted to call the police, but came to realize his best defense was to return fire, and drew his own weapon, for which he possesses a concealed carry permit. He fired at the attackers, scaring them off. Hoven not only saved his own life that day, but the lives of two of his co-workers. A mere 42 seconds passed, from start to finish.

    Hoven explains, “I feared for my life, and in self defense, I fired my weapon as I continued to move from him.”

    “The adrenaline was taking over. You could have probably taken my pulse from my breath, because my heart was beating that much,” he adds.

    Walgreens lawyers have denied most of Hoven’s claims, and even asserted that there was not an armed robbery in progress at the time Hoven fired his weapon. They claim that the company, which operates 8,000 stores in the United States, had a “plausible and legitimate business reason to justify the firing.”

    However, video footage of the incident corroborates all of Hoven’s statements, and will certainly play a prominent role in the lawsuit against Walgreens.

    Though Hoven was licensed by the state of Michigan to carry a gun, Walgreen discourages its pharmacists from packing pistols. A spokeswoman for the drug chain told ABC News in an email that while Walgreens would not be able to disclose its policies, they were written to protect the safety of customers and employees.

    Walgreens released a statement defending Hoven’s termination, which read, “Store employees receive comprehensive training on how to react and respond to a potential robbery situation. Law enforcement strongly advises against confrontation of crime suspects. Compliance is safer than confrontation. Through this practice, we have been able to maintain an exemplary record of safety.”

    Ironically, Hoven reports that he obtained a permit to carry a concealed weapon after that same Walgreens was robbed while he was working in 2007.

    One of Hoven’s lawyers, Peter Kosick, has released a statement against what he believes to be an unreasonable violation of Hoven’s right to defend himself against a lethal weapon.

    “[My client] was as exercising his reasonable right of self-defense in the face of a gunman who attempted to pull a trigger three times and shoot him,” said Kosick.

    He explains further, “The criminal had jumped over the counter and was on the same side of it with Jeremy. Hoven fired only to maintain a safe zone for himself.”

    Kosick indicates that Walgreens should have commended Hoven on his bravery and quick thinking, rather than punishing him for his actions. Similarly, township police Lieutenant Delman Lange said, “If it was me, I would have done the same thing.”

    According to Kosick, Hoven has the support of most of the community. “I’d say 95 percent are in favor of what he did. It’s really outraged people. Not just gun advocates but people on the street. They stop and tell me they’ve have done the same thing, only they wouldn’t have missed. They’ve outraged what Walgreen has done. They’re talking boycott, saying they will take their business to CVS or Wal-Mart.”

    In addition to whether Hoven had a right to self-defense in the incident, the court must decide whether Hoven should have told his employer about the gun, notes Daniel Swanson, another lawyer for Hoven. Swanson declined to assess whether Hoven should have reported his weapon or not, but contends that the right to self defense is significantly more important in this case.

    “Do you, as an employee, have a right to attempt to defend yourself, or submit to the situation and basically risk you life,” Swanson asked.
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    if the company has a policy that says you can't carry a gun into work then they're within their rights to fire the person.

    Personally, I would have probably just told him to make sure he never brings the gun in again. But it's their call.
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    Rules are rules, he oughta go work at CVS. But I'm all for killing these terrorist, robbing, thugs. They only understand one thing, blunt force, so give it to em'.

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    Uh, it says it discourages it's employees from carrying hand guns but the verbiage may be open to interpretation. I would think if there were specific rules for not carrying a hand gun, they would have stated it very plainly such as "it is strictly against company policy to carry a gun onto the work premise". I also find it troubling that a company would have such a rule if a person has a legal permit and they work in a highly dangerous environment. This guy should be hailed as a hero for saving his coworkers lives, his own and preventing a robbery but instead he is shown the door. Wow.
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    Years ago my dad was had lost his gun. He leaves it in the car while at work and it had fallen out one day when he left. He filed a police report for a missing weapon and it made its way back to his work. They fired him because they have a no weapons on the business property rule.

    As much as respect my dad he was an idiot for breaking company policy. Even if all he did was leave it in his car during the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuBBs5150 View Post
    Years ago my dad was had lost his gun. He leaves it in the car while at work and it had fallen out one day when he left. He filed a police report for a missing weapon and it made its way back to his work. They fired him because they have a no weapons on the business property rule.

    As much as respect my dad he was an idiot for breaking company policy. Even if all he did was leave it in his car during the day.
    I'd say your dad was more an idiot (using your word) for having his gun so poorly secured that it "fell out" of the car. Worse, he didn't even notice.

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    Well, what kind of company policy "discourages" its employees not to do something? Is this like discouraging professors not to sleep with students?

    If they don't explicitly say that he cannot carry it in the store, and that store has been robbed at gunpoint twice, I say he has a pretty good case of defending himself since the store doesn't seem to have great safety precautions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Well, what kind of company policy "discourages" its employees not to do something? Is this like discouraging professors not to sleep with students?

    If they don't explicitly say that he cannot carry it in the store, and that store has been robbed at gunpoint twice, I say he has a pretty good case of defending himself since the store doesn't seem to have great safety precautions.
    Exactly. Discouraging and straightforward verbiage are two very different things. If it was straightforward, their attorney would have said so.
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    not to far from where I live actually.

    the people from detroit are starting to go further and further out to rob people thinking they won't know what to do.

    it's a sad city to be around.

    my mom lives way out in BFE-about 4 hours away from the D and they are having a ton of break ins, they caught one guy and she said he was from detroit, they figure all the hicks out there won't know what to do either.

    society is goin to hell.

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    I think pharmacists should be required to carry weapons.

    a local pharmacy in a neighboring small town has been held up twice in about a year for drugs...they're not really interested in the cash. The workers were truly traumatized

    maybe they'd think twice about robbing the place if they new there were weapons on site

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Well, what kind of company policy "discourages" its employees not to do something? Is this like discouraging professors not to sleep with students?

    If they don't explicitly say that he cannot carry it in the store, and that store has been robbed at gunpoint twice, I say he has a pretty good case of defending himself since the store doesn't seem to have great safety precautions.
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    Exactly. Discouraging and straightforward verbiage are two very different things. If it was straightforward, their attorney would have said so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    I think pharmacists should be required to carry weapons.

    a local pharmacy in a neighboring small town has been held up twice in about a year for drugs...they're not really interested in the cash. The workers were truly traumatized

    maybe they'd think twice about robbing the place if they new there were weapons on site
    This is the argument many of us have against drastic gun control, btw.

 

 

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