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    Finally got the "DLR Band" album after 13 years. Still yet to get "Diamond Dave", but i'm trying to get all Daves solo stuff to complete the whole VH and related catalogue.
    First of all, I'm not a fan of the album, or his voice. This was 1999, and I hope Shanks has polished Roths voice much better for the new VH album. I must say, the production on this album was'nt so good, so that might've had a hand in Roths vocals.
    But, but, the best song on it, is the last song, "Black Sand" which is bloody killer. I absolutely love it and one of Roths best. I cant understand why you have to sit through the whole thing, to hear one of his best tracks ever.
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    "Black Sand" is a great song! Would love to hear VH playing it.
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    Honestly, Eddie could put a different touch to the song if it was presented for the new album, but i doubt that would happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dont disturb my Paradise View Post
    Finally got the "DLR Band" album after 13 years. Still yet to get "Diamond Dave", but i'm trying to get all Daves solo stuff to complete the whole VH and related catalogue.
    First of all, I'm not a fan of the album, or his voice. This was 1999, and I hope Shanks has polished Roths voice much better for the new VH album. I must say, the production on this album was'nt so good, so that might've had a hand in Roths vocals.
    But, but, the best song on it, is the last song, "Black Sand" which is bloody killer. I absolutely love it and one of Roths best. I cant understand why you have to sit through the whole thing, to hear one of his best tracks ever.
    I like some songs off of it, but almost the entire album sounds like a demo.

    I think DLR produced it himself, I remember an interview where he talks about going to Kinko's to do the album cover art. He was on a retro less is more kick at the time I think based upon his interviews at the time.

    In the hands of a capable producer, it could have been a really good album in my opinion.

    Black Sand is a highlight for sure. Along with Little Texas, Weekend with the Babysitter and Going Places, they remain songs that pop up on my iPod occasionally that I don't skip when they do.
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    "Black Sand"--one of the best ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DFVH5150 View Post
    "Black Sand"--one of the best ever.
    I'm a pretty strong fan of this album.

    Sonically the album is a tad 'low rent' , vocally, dave was starting his way to recovery ... but I think the songs are very even and well written.

    This was the album that DLR realized that time's run out for succeeding as an A-list solo artist... and that he would be forever remembered for and joined at the hip with VH.

    This album saw the beginning of his attempting to get back with VH... which he would spend nearly the next 8 years cultivating... It was inevitable in his mind.

    I see this album as an audition tape.. a 'damn good' one (if you pardon the reference)... to Ed, to show he can still write the rocking' stuff after the experimental NY/LV influenced Filthy Little Mouth.

    Lyrically, one of his most clever...

    The writing was back and he was rocking. That's all he needed to show, IMHO.

    I enjoy this album nearly as much as my favorite "Eat 'Em And Smile". (not the same sonic sound quality... but enjoyable rocking' riff songs.. yes)


    how can you not like openers Slam Dunk or Black Light?

    The sexyphilosphical/seductivce "Loose The Dress/Keep the Shoes"...

    and yes... Black Sand is the icing on the cake.


    Worst song (and I still love it) is the reworking of 'Private Parts' into "Tight"... a bit of a throwaway... but not awful by any far stretch.

    (Perhaps should have have been replaced by "Thug Pop" from the same sessions which ended out being an out-of-place track on the Diamond Dave Album, but it's a tough call.)


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    I always think of the DLR album as a John Lowry showcase, his contributions to this record are very strong and carry alot of the tracks IMHO. I do think this was Dave trying to make something very similar to what he feels a VH record should be.

    Black Sand is a cool song, it's interesting that it seems to come up so often when people talk about Dave's solo stuff. I don't think it's even in the same ballpark as Hina (my all time favorite Dave solo track).

    The intro is cool and it was nice to see Terry Kilgor get a minute in the spotlight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad to the Bone View Post
    I always think of the DLR album as a John Lowry showcase, his contributions to this record are very strong and carry alot of the tracks IMHO. I do think this was Dave trying to make something very similar to what he feels a VH record should be.

    Black Sand is a cool song, it's interesting that it seems to come up so often when people talk about Dave's solo stuff. I don't think it's even in the same ballpark as Hina (my all time favorite Dave solo track).

    The intro is cool and it was nice to see Terry Kilgor get a minute in the spotlight.

    Agreed! Dave's bands have always showcased some hot gunslinger on nearly every album. John Lowry and Terry Kilgor were up for this round.

    oh... and yeah.. Hina rocks!

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    I like Hina, but I think Black Sand is miles better.
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    Love BlkS. Iove the entire DLR band album. Cool to see some love
    for Black Light too. I really dig that tune. That album is special to me. I was fortunate to have become
    friends with Mike Hartman just prior to it's release. He was such a nice guy
    and a great young guitarist. cystic Fibrosis robbed him the oppertunites he had
    and ultimately his life but he accomplished a lot in his short life.
    I dig his tunes on that album and got to hear a preview of it all b4 it came out
    etc. He had nothing but good things to say about Dave and the process.
    He was a little disappointed that John got more tunes and was picked
    to tour(though John left to join Manson I think)but it was kinda a thought that fears
    of Mike's health and endurance was a factor with some of that. Mike was very ill earlier
    in his life and met Vai from the Make A wish thing and as Mike got healthy
    and grew even more as a musician that connetion brought him to
    Dave's attention and Dave really dug Mike as a player and person.
    I love that album for multiple reasons. Great songs IMO. Right up there with
    the best from CvH, no..but great none the less!

    Sorry to ramble but a lot of people don't know about Mike's story. He wasn't on Black Sand but his playing on his tunes (Indeedido, King of the Hill)was brilliant.

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    King of the Hill with a little work on DLR's vocals could have been a cool song.

    Guitars on it are killer. Guitar is killer on the entire album actually, both him and Lowery rip it up.

    Kilgore does a good job on his couple of chances as well. Did Kilgore play on Going Places as well? If so, my two favorites of the album are with Kilgore, and I usually don't dig him too much as a player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by At0micPunk View Post
    Love BlkS. Iove the entire DLR band album. Cool to see some love
    for Black Light too. I really dig that tune. That album is special to me. I was fortunate to have become
    friends with Mike Hartman just prior to it's release. (SNIP) ... a lot of people don't know about Mike's story. He wasn't on Black Sand but his playing on his tunes (Indeedido, King of the Hill)was brilliant.

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    Good point... I didn't mean to leave out Mike Hartman in my earlier post... really a great guitar album ... an nice to hear after the less-guitar oriented Filthy Little Mouth.

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    Wasn't "B'ourbon Bob" Bob Marlette?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Wasn't "B'ourbon Bob" Bob Marlette?
    To my understanding, BB was whomever played Bass on the track, be it Mike Hartman, John Lowery or Terry Killgore. I forget where I heard or read this...maybe it was the old vhnd Mike Hartman interview?

    This album was loads of fun. I do remember Dave saying that they recorded it fast, that he wanted to bust something out like they did back in the day, instead of laboring over it and making it asshole tight (like a Def Leppard album). I think it was just a great Roth album, second only to Eat 'em and Smile.
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    You're right, I think Bob Marlette was an uncredited co-writer on some of the songs.
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