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    The Students with Bush on 9/11: The Interrupted Reading

    There has rarely been a starker juxtaposition of evil and innocence than the moment President George W. Bush received the news about 9/11 while reading The Pet Goat with second-graders in Sarasota, Fla.

    Seven-year-olds can't understand what Islamic terrorism is all about. But they know when an adult's face is telling them something is wrong - and none of the students sitting in Sandra Kay Daniels' class at Emma E. Booker Elementary School that morning can forget the devastating change in Bush's expression when White House chief of staff Andrew Card whispered the terrible news of the al-Qaeda attack. Lazaro Dubrocq's heart started racing because he assumed they were all in trouble - with no less than the Commander in Chief - but he wasn't sure why. "In a heartbeat, he leaned back and he looked flabbergasted, shocked, horrified," recalls Dubrocq, now 17. "I was baffled. I mean, did we read something wrong? Was he mad or disappointed in us?"

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    I like this part of the story:



    "One thing the students would like to tell Bush's critics - like liberal filmmaker Michael Moore, whose 2004 documentary Fahrenheit 911 disparaged Bush for lingering almost 10 minutes with the students after getting word that two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center - is that they think the President did the right thing. "I think he was trying to keep everybody calm, starting with us," says Guerrero. Dubrocq agrees: "I think he was trying to protect us." Booker Principal Gwendolyn Tose-Rigell, who died in 2007, later insisted, "I don't think anyone could have handled it better. What would it have served if [Bush] had jumped out of his chair and ran out of the room?"





    Actually, the whole thing is a good read.
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    damn I'll never forget that day. I worked a few blocks from the airport where AF1 was parked. Kind of worried that something would blow up the plane!
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    This was always obvious to anyone with a brain. I just hate, hate, hate, hate the partisanship over the last 10 years. Yes, many Bush policies begged for criticism, but the recent revelation of Pelosi's Bush-era bin Laden comments compared to her recent ones really show the way this works.

    What I mean by that is that if Obama or Clinton had done what Bush did, they would have been revered by the left as having been smooth, caring, and acting cool under pressure. He couldn't have done anything right away, so he was protecting the KIDS! Oh how wonderful for Clinton and Obama to act so well under pressure! Instead, they made Bush out to be a buffoon.

    Hey may have been a buffoon when it came to many things, but this is one thing he did right.

    What was he going to do, immediately jump to action, become James bond and wipe out al-Qaeda with his super secret Islamic Death Ray gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    This was always obvious to anyone with a brain. I just hate, hate, hate, hate the partisanship over the last 10 years. Yes, many Bush policies begged for criticism, but the recent revelation of Pelosi's Bush-era bin Laden comments compared to her recent ones really show the way this works.

    What I mean by that is that if Obama or Clinton had done what Bush did, they would have been revered by the left as having been smooth, caring, and acting cool under pressure. He couldn't have done anything right away, so he was protecting the KIDS! Oh how wonderful for Clinton and Obama to act so well under pressure! Instead, they made Bush out to be a buffoon.

    Hey may have been a buffoon when it came to many things, but this is one thing he did right.

    What was he going to do, immediately jump to action, become James bond and wipe out al-Qaeda with his super secret Islamic Death Ray gun?
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy 150 View Post
    I like this part of the story:



    "One thing the students would like to tell Bush's critics - like liberal filmmaker Michael Moore, whose 2004 documentary Fahrenheit 911 disparaged Bush for lingering almost 10 minutes with the students after getting word that two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center - is that they think the President did the right thing. "I think he was trying to keep everybody calm, starting with us," says Guerrero. Dubrocq agrees: "I think he was trying to protect us." Booker Principal Gwendolyn Tose-Rigell, who died in 2007, later insisted, "I don't think anyone could have handled it better. What would it have served if [Bush] had jumped out of his chair and ran out of the room?"





    Actually, the whole thing is a good read.
    I thoroughly enjoyed it too. I read Bush's book "Decision Points" and he said he knew that his reaction would be beamed around the world and he absolutely did not want to look panicked. Under the circumstances of what he had just been told, I think he handled it amazingly well.
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    I have never understood why people thought what he did was so wrong.

    How about the dumb ass reporter asking him about it before he left the room and the President calmly saying "we will talk about it later."

    I think that shows his state of mind that he didn't want to scare the small children in the room.

    The man did a ton of things as CIC that I disagree with, but that isn't one of them.
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    I always said that Bush was the kinda guy I'd like to sit down and have a drink with but didn't want running my country. He just seems like a stand-up guy and that's about as far as I'd go.

    That said, I think he handled this situation very well. My stupid fourth grade teacher (she was young, new, and didn't make it the whole year) told us there was a bombing in New York and that the guys that did it were "on the run," which led me to think "Gee, they'll blow up the fuckin' Sears Tower next, joy." I was terrified the whole day, until I got some clarification as to what happened after school. I sure as hell didn't feel any safer but I didn't feel nervous, either.

    Another thing I give my parents credit for was not hiding ANY of what happened that day from me just because I was nine years old. After reading the posts from folks my age asking who Osama bin Laden was, I honestly couldn't imagine NOT knowing

    Moral of this story is, Dubya did the right thing with the second grade class. I give him an enormous amount of credit for what he did.
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    So dumb....

    Ten minutes where he was calm with the kids...

    ....while secret service, his advisers and everybody else on his team was formulating a plan. There's no instant plan for something like that. I'm sure ten minutes was used for assessing and devising the best course of action to take. I'm actually rather impressed with ten minutes.

    Such a dumb thing to nitpick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    What I mean by that is that if Obama or Clinton had done what Bush did, they would have been revered by the left as having been smooth, caring, and acting cool under pressure.
    ...and the right would have said what the fuck were they doing/thinking for that ten minutes. So that leaves us right back where we started. Right where we will always be. A country divided. Politics as usual. Rinse and repeat.

    For the record, this middle of the road(i'm trying)guy thinks he did the right thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hagarfn View Post
    ...and the right would have said what the fuck were they doing/thinking for that ten minutes...Politics as usual. Rinse and repeat.
    Yes, you're right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy 150 View Post
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    "One thing the students would like to tell Bush's critics - like liberal filmmaker Michael Moore, whose 2004 documentary Fahrenheit 911 disparaged Bush for lingering almost 10 minutes with the students after getting word that two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center - is that they think the President did the right thing. "I think he was trying to keep everybody calm, starting with us," says Guerrero. Dubrocq agrees: "I think he was trying to protect us." Booker Principal Gwendolyn Tose-Rigell, who died in 2007, later insisted, "I don't think anyone could have handled it better. What would it have served if [Bush] had jumped out of his chair and ran out of the room?"



    Actually, the whole thing is a good read.

    I don't think anybody has ever said that he should have caused a panic by jumping up, screaming and running out of the room.

    He was told that "we are under attack." That's it. No more details. I don't know, but if I was told that and I was Commander and Chief, it would be very hard for me to just sit and stare for 10 minutes. I wouldn't cause a panic, but I don't know if somebody told me that the country in which I am the leader of was "under attack", I'd probably have to get up and say, "Excuse me a moment...." and proceed to leave the room. Kids wouldn't think anything of it.

    He didn't know what "we are under attack meant". It could have meant anything at that moment. You don't just get told that your country is under attack and just sit for 10 minutes because you don't want to make a classroom full of children, suspicious. And that's all they would have been...suspicious. Not scared. Just wondering, "Hmmmm...that man talked to the President and then the President left the room. Hmmmm." Suspicion. Not panic.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZachenFoot View Post

    That said, I think he handled this situation very well. My stupid fourth grade teacher (she was young, new, and didn't make it the whole year) told us there was a bombing in New York and that the guys that did it were "on the run," which led me to think "Gee, they'll blow up the fuckin' Sears Tower next, joy." I was terrified the whole day, until I got some clarification as to what happened after school. I sure as hell didn't feel any safer but I didn't feel nervous, either.
    See that's the other extreme. Bush didn't have to do what your teacher did. These are kids, you don't tell them that. Hell I was in Grade 8 at the time and I didn't even know what had happened until 3:15 when my Dad picked me up that day. Other classes were told but our teacher seemed like she didn't know anything.

    But like I said, how do you get told, "the country is under attack" and just sit there?

    Again, maybe it was the right thing to do. Maybe it wasn't. All I know is that I couldn't sit for 10 minutes upon being told that information. You don't need to cause a panic by getting up and leaving the room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZachenFoot View Post
    I always said that Bush was the kinda guy I'd like to sit down and have a drink with but didn't want running my country. He just seems like a stand-up guy and that's about as far as I'd go.

    That said, I think he handled this situation very well. My stupid fourth grade teacher (she was young, new, and didn't make it the whole year) told us there was a bombing in New York and that the guys that did it were "on the run," which led me to think "Gee, they'll blow up the fuckin' Sears Tower next, joy." I was terrified the whole day, until I got some clarification as to what happened after school. I sure as hell didn't feel any safer but I didn't feel nervous, either.

    Another thing I give my parents credit for was not hiding ANY of what happened that day from me just because I was nine years old. After reading the posts from folks my age asking who Osama bin Laden was, I honestly couldn't imagine NOT knowing

    Moral of this story is, Dubya did the right thing with the second grade class. I give him an enormous amount of credit for what he did.
    My older two boys (4th and 2nd grade at the time) were lucky, in that, the school pretty much blocked out ALL news of the incidents that happened on 9/11 and even sent home flyers to the parents advising us of that fact. We, the parents, were responsible for informng our children of the events in our own way, something I respected the school's principal for.
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    I don't know what exactly he was told, whether they told him more info is on the way, no other info available, or what.

    I find it hard to believe it was "we are under attack" and that's it. I just do. Whoever whispered in his ear is a dope, then. Unless they had some "code" worked out where a key word gets him up and moving no matter what. Frankly, I'd expect there WOULD be a key "let's go NOW" word in those situations, and if he wasn't given it, he should continue on until further word is received or a logical break presents itself.

    Frankly, I've heard very few criticize Bush for that day. Maybe some radicals, but they're nut jobs, nobody pays any attention to them. Once everything played out, I seem to remember people being pretty positive about how Bush handled it.

    I think this fuss is actually pretty ironic - there wasn't any widespread credible criticism, people who say there was are trying to make something out of nothing. Just like the few whack nuts who criticized Bush because that's what they do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHalenRules View Post
    My older two boys (4th and 2nd grade at the time) were lucky, in that, the school pretty much blocked out ALL news of the incidents that happened on 9/11 and even sent home flyers to the parents advising us of that fact. We, the parents, were responsible for informng our children of the events in our own way, something I respected the school's principal for.
    that school has excellent leadership.

 

 

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