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    A secret operation to run guns across the border to Mexican drug cartels — overseen by U.S. government agents — threatens scandal within the Obama administration.

    Starting in late 2009, ATF allegedly directed an undetermined number of Phoenix-area gun shop owners to go ahead with sales of thousands of assault rifles and other weapons to suspicious buyers. Insiders claim ATF knew the buyers were connected to Mexico's drug cartels, but let the guns "walk" onto the street anyway in a misguided attempt to obtain intelligence. ATF and the Justice Department have denied that.

    An anguished ATF agent made the decision to expose the gunwalking operation, after the bureau ignored months of complaints.

    Damning, newly-obtained emails show that a key gun shop owner made explicit concerns in writing last year in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms' gunwalking scandal.

    Investigators from Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) obtained the emails this week.

    In an April 13, 2010 email, the unnamed gun shop owner told ATF he was worried how he'd be viewed if the guns he sold ended up in the wrong hands.

    "We just want to make sure we are cooperating with ATF and that we are not viewed as selling to bad guys," the gun shop owner wrote to ATF Phoenix Supervisor David Voth. The gun shop owner asked for a letter of understanding to "alleviate concerns of some type of recourse against us down the road for selling these items."

    ATF Supervisor Voth tried to reassure the cooperating gun shop owner. "I understand that the frequency with which some individuals under investigation by our office have been purchasing firearms from your business has caused concerns for you... However, if helps put you at east we (ATF) are continually monitoring these suspects using a variety of investigative techniques which I cannot go into [in] detail."

    According to Sen. Grassley, in a letter fired off to Attorney General Eric Holder last night, the ATF arranged a meeting between the gun shop owner and the U.S. Attorney's office which is part of the Justice Department. At that meeting, Sen. Grassley says the U.S. Attorney's office declined to provide written terms but assured the gun dealer there were safeguards in place to prevent further distribution of the weapons being purchased from his business.

    "As we now know, those assurances provide to be untrue," Grassley wrote.

    Two months later, on June 17, 2010, the same gun shop owner again wrote ATF's Supervisor Voth again after he saw a Fox News report about firearms and the border. The gun shop owner called the report "disturbing" and stated "When you [Voth], [the Assistant U.S. Attorney], and I met on May 13th [2010], I shared my concerns with you guys that I wanted to make sure that none of the firearms that were sold per our conversation with you and various ATF agents could or would ever end up south of the border or in the hands of the bad guys... I want to help ATF with its investigation but not at the risk of agents' safety because I have some very close friends that are U.S. Border Patrol Agents in southern AZ."

    This was six months before Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down near the Arizona border. Two assault rifles that ATF had let "walk" were found at the scene.

    The gun shop owner also stated there were "one or two" occasions on which his employees witnessed and recorded with surveillance cameras an exchange of money between a suspect and another individual on the premises; but the dealer said ATF officials wanted him to proceed with this so-called "straw" purchase. Buying a weapon for personal use and then transferring it to somebody else is against the law.

    In his letter, Grassley told Attorney General Holder: "In light of this new evidence, the Justice Departments' claim that the ATF never knowingly sanctioned or allowed the sale of assault weapons to straw purchasers is simply not credible."

    So far, Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who is also investigating the gunwalking scandal, say they have received little to no meaningful response to their document and information requests from ATF and the Department of Justice. Earlier this week when the Justice Department turned over selected materials to Rep. Issa's staff, sources say Grassley's staff were now allowed entry or access to the same materials.

    In response to a question about the alleged gunwalking, President Obama has said a "serious mistake" may have been made, and that neither he nor Holder authorized any such operation.

    The operation, called “Fast and Furious,” was run out of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) office in Phoenix, Arizona. ATF sanctioned the purchase of weapons in U.S. gun shops and tracked the smuggling route to the Mexican border. Reportedly, more than 2,500 firearms were sold to straw buyers who then handed off the weapons to gunrunners under the nose of ATF.

    But once across the border, the agency seemed to lose track of the weapons. Hundreds of AK-47s and Barrett .50 caliber rifles — favorites of warring drug cartels —made it easily into the hands of some of Mexico’s most ruthless crime organizations.

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    In arms trafficking parlance, knowingly allowing smugglers to go about their business is called “gunwalking.” According to ATF whistleblowers, the agency stood by and watched as buyers purchased up to 20 weapons at a time and quickly passed them off to smugglers in nearby parking lots. The hope was to trace the guns into Mexico and bust a major cartel.

    In December 2010 “walked” guns were identified as the murder weapons in the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry by drug cartels.

    Agent John Dodson blew the whistle on Fast and Furious in an interview with CBS News on Mar. 3. Dodson had been concerned about the operation since well before the Terry murder. As large numbers of guns freely crossed the border during the early part of 2010, he and other ATF agents noted with alarm the rise in violent crime south of the border. He said he told his supervisors, “The more our guys buy, the more violence we’re having down there.”

    Meanwhile, U.S. government officials are attempting to deny being involved without actually confirming that the operation took place. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano did not deny allegations concerning the program, but claimed she found out about the operation only after Agent Terry’s murder and had no information regarding the participation of Customs agents.

    PDF: Read Grassley's full letter and the emails themselves - http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/gu...in;contentBody

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    Obama DOJ Refuses to Give Documents to Congress


    Senator Grassley discusses his investigation before Congress


    - Gunwalking scandal uncovered at the ATF
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...in;contentBody

    - Issa subpoenas ATF over gunwalking allegations
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16...in;contentBody

    - Obama snubs Issa on subpoena for ATF documents
    http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/20/ob...atf-documents/

    - ATF agent cooperates in gunwalking investigation
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16...in;contentBody

    - Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...in;contentBody
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    Dont know what to say about this. It probably wont stick. The whole war on drugs is a mega trillion dollar boondoggle and now US agents are getting killed on a regular basis. Want to cut some Federal spending just legalize and tax drugs. Then the Mexicans,Columbians,Pagans,Crips and Bloods will all have to get real jobs not to mention decreasing prison populations.
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    I would love someone to add up the sum total of money spent on the war on drugs in this country, whatever the amount it has been money well wasted.
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    I remember over the past couple of years Obama preaching the need for new gun legislation since so many our guns are crossing the border to Mexico. President Calderon coming to the US pointing his finger at the US, and Obama sucking his dick in public. While all along this administration has been funneling guns into Mexico behind Calderon's back.

    The first thing the ATF and DOJ did when confronted about this gunrunning situation was to publicly attack the very gun dealers that they ordered to sell the guns to these criminals. The gun dealers concerns expressed in writing to the ATF and DoJ chiefs during this operation over their fears of being implicated in this criminal activity were warranted indeed.

    Sounds like this operation may have been the Obama administrations way of getting as many traceable US guns south of the border as possible, thereby reinforcing their calls for gun legislation. Unfortunately for this administration though some decent agents blew the whistle and the Department of Justice was caught in the act.

    Total fail on all accounts.

    I tire of these stories of law enforcement aiding and abetting the enemy to supposedly make the big bust.
    The 1993 WTC bombing comes to mind, when our FBI provided the materials and instruction to terrorists to make the bomb and blow up the WTC. Then watched as the attack was carried out.

    Quit giving the enemy bombs to blow us up. Quit giving them guns to kill us. Government dumb-fucks. Our own worst enemy.
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    Obama Administration May Be Held in Contempt of Congress
    Presidential administration officials have been held in contempt only 12 times since Watergate in the 1970s, but number 13 may be on its way. Attorney General Eric Holder has refused to supply the House Oversight Committee with requested documents surrounding Operation Fast and Furious, the lethal and botched operation in which thousands of semi-automatic weapons were illegally sent over the border and into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. The operation resulted in the death of thousands of Mexican citizens and Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, and involved the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (a division of Holder’s Justice Department.)





    House Panel Slams 'Fast and Furious' Gun Operation Tied to Border Agent's Death

    A U.S. law enforcement operation intended to crack down on major weapons traffickers on the Southwest border spiraled out of control as federal agents were told by superiors to "stand down" and ignore weapons bought in Arizona headed for Mexico, a House panel heard Wednesday.

    Three federal firearms investigators told the House Oversight and Government Reform committee that they wanted to "intervene and interdict" loads of guns, but were repeatedly ordered to step aside.

    "Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals -- this was the plan," John Dodson, a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent who testified to the panel. "It was so mandated."

    He added: "My supervisors directed me and my colleagues not to make any stop or arrest, but rather, to keep the straw purchaser under surveillance while allowing the guns to walk."

    ATF agent Olindo James Casa said that "on several occasions I personally requested to interdict or seize firearms, but I was always ordered to stand down and not to seize the firearms."

    Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the panel, has spearheaded the congressional investigation into the ATF's "Operation Fast and Furious." He said the hopes of scoring a knockout blow against the Mexican cartels badly misfired, and then continued over the objections of federal agents.

    The program came to a crashing halt in January with the death of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, shot by an AK-47 purchased a year earlier by Jamie Avila, a known gun smuggler who had been under ATF surveillance since November 2009.

    Members of Terry's family appeared before the committee Wednesday, asking how it happened and what will be done to ensure it doesn't happen again.

    "We hope that all individuals involved in Brian's murder, and those that played a role in putting the assault weapons in their hands are found and prosecuted to the full extent of the law," said Robert Heyer, a cousin of Terry.

    Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, said accountability is needed and the only question is how high does it go.

    "The president said he didn't authorize it, and that the attorney general didn't authorize it. They have both admitted that quote unquote a serious mistake may have been made," he said. "There are a lot of questions and a lot of investigating to do, but one thing has become clear already -- this was no mistake."

    Issa's hearing came one day after his panel released a draft report concluding the busted operation was a deadly strategy that left a trail of blood and bodies throughout the Southwest. The report concluded that a reckless and irresponsible chain of command ignored repeated warnings the plan would fail.

    "You've got people who are dead, you have weapons that are missing and you have an administration that doesn't seem to want to take any accountability for it," said Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, and a member of the panel. "There is absolutely no justification, no justification for this. There are people that are going to have to be held accountable."

    Findings from the preliminary report include:

    -- Agents expected to interdict weapons, yet were told to stand down and “just surveil.” Agents therefore did not act. They watched straw purchasers buy hundreds of weapons illegally and transfer those weapons to unknown third parties and stash houses.

    -- ATF agents complained about the strategy of allowing guns to walk in Operation Fast and Furious. Leadership ignored their concerns. Instead, supervisors told the agents to “get with the program” because senior ATF officials had sanctioned the operation.

    -- Agents knew that given the large numbers of weapons being trafficked to Mexico, tragic results were a near certainty.

    -- Operation Fast and Furious contributed to the increasing violence and deaths in Mexico. This result was regarded with "giddy" optimism by ATF supervisors hoping that guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico would provide the nexus to straw purchasers in Phoenix.

    That last finding is sure to anger Mexico, which has so far been muted in its criticism. In a March 2010 memo, ATF says it allowed gun smugglers to buy 359 guns while 958 people died in Mexico the same month. Internally, the agency was "trumpeting up the violence that was occurring as a result of an ATF sanctioned program."


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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
    Dont know what to say about this. It probably wont stick. The whole war on drugs is a mega trillion dollar boondoggle and now US agents are getting killed on a regular basis. Want to cut some Federal spending just legalize and tax drugs. Then the Mexicans,Columbians,Pagans,Crips and Bloods will all have to get real jobs not to mention decreasing prison populations.
    After a few years of trying to talk to people about this, I am firmly convinced that this will never happen. When something actually makes sense--but takes more than superficial thought--that's too much to ask.

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    After a few years of trying to talk to people about this, I am firmly convinced that this will never happen. When something actually makes sense--but takes more than superficial thought--that's too much to ask.
    Ironically law enforcement is leading the way on this issue. See LEAP Law Enforcement
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    Quit giving the enemy bombs to blow us up. Quit giving them guns to kill us. Government dumb-fucks. Our own worst enemy.
    Absolutely right on there. This has to be the most crooked, deceitful administration to ever reside in Washington D.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
    Ironically law enforcement is leading the way on this issue. See LEAP Law Enforcement
    Against Prohibition. I say just start random drug tests of all elected officals in the USA. Legalization will be ASAP
    They did a fantastic job of demonizing these drugs. This was also, btw, one of the stepping stones on the way to making the commerce clause Congress's catch-all.

    I was SHOCKED when I saw the government's numbers on regular users of drugs.

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    Two AK-47s used by a Mexican drug cartel in the high-profile kidnapping and murder of a lawyer were sold as part of the U.S. Justice Department's failed 'Fast and Furious' operation, sources say.

    U.S. law enforcement sources and officials in Washington told Fox News that two AK-47s were purchased in Arizona by a straw buyer — someone who legally buys guns, then illegal sells them to a third party – and were allowed to “walk” into Mexico. Police recovered the guns in the course of their investigation of the kidnapping of Mario Gonzalez Rodriguez.

    Gonzales, brother of the now former attorney general of Chihuahua, Patricia Gonzalez Rodriguez, was kidnapped in October. He was taken by six gunmen from the Sinaloa cartel and tortured extensively over two weeks.

    Three videos posted online show Gonzalez surrounded by hooded armed men with his hands and feet bound and apparently being electrocuted with electrical devises attached to his feet.

    The incident received heavy publicity in Mexico – not just because he was a family member of a top law enforcement officer, but because he claims in the video that his sister, while attorney general, protected the Juarez cartel, and that she ordered the murder of two journalists and a member of the Mormon community in that state.

    His sister went on national TV and denied the claims and said the kidnappers belonged to the rival Sinoloa cartel.

    Gonzalez’s body was found last November in a shallow grave outside the city after armed federal police forces raided the kidnappers' compound. Mexican officials arrested the suspects and confiscated the guns.

    Mexico submits thousands of guns for tracking in the U.S. by serial number.

    Fast and Furious, which was supposed to trace and stop the trafficking of illegal guns, instead allowed thousands of guns get into the hand of Mexican cartel members.

    The program is now the focus of an investigation by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

    On Wednesday, ATF Special Agent John Dodson testified that the operation facilitated the sale of about 2,500 firearms. About 700 have been recovered by police at crime scenes in Mexico and the U.S., but he said that there could be as many as 1,800 of them still out.

    Until now, the most high-profile crime allegedly committed with these guns was the murder in December of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Two guns found near his body in Mexico were traced to the ATF program, though it is unclear if they were the guns that killed Terry.

    President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder have tried to distance themselves from the failed program, saying it was running without their approval.

    On Friday, White House broke its silence for the first time since the hearings exposed the extent of the failed program.

    When asked about Operation Fast and Furious and the contention that the administration deliberately sent these guns south, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the president did not know who authorized the program.

    “I can tell you that, as the president has already said, he did not know ... about or authorize this operation. But the Department of Justice has said repeatedly that fighting criminal activity along the Southwest border, including the illegal trafficking of guns to Mexico, has been and is a priority of the department,” Carney said.
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    The Justice Department is obstructing the congressional investigation of a U.S. law enforcement operation intended to crack down on major weapons traffickers on the Southwest border, according to the embattled leader of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    Ken Melson, the acting director of the ATF, lobbed the accusation when he sneaked in for an interview with congressional investigators on July 4, two days ahead of his scheduled interview with the inspector general about the operation known as "Fast and Furious," Fox News has learned.

    "If his account is accurate, then ATF leadership appears to have been effectively muzzled while the DOJ sent over false denials and buried its head in the sand," Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said in a letter Tuesday to Attorney General Eric Holder. "That approach distorted the truth and obstructed our investigation."

    The Justice Department is reportedly looking to oust Melson, who has been acting ATF director since April 2009, as the agency deals with its biggest scandal in nearly two decades. Andrew Traver, who was tapped in November by President Obama to become the permanent ATF director, could be named as acting director until the Senate acts on his nomination, sources have said.

    In a separate development, congressional sources have learned that not only was U.S. taxpayer money being used to buy guns that were later sent to Mexico, but the main target of the investigation was actually a FBI informant and former drug dealer who had been deported years ago.

    "Fast and Furious" has been at the center of an investigation by Issa and Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa. The operation began in the fall of 2009 as an effort to trace and stop the trafficking of illegal guns on the Southwest border, but instead allowed thousands of guns to get into the hands of Mexican cartel members.

    The two say they learned about the program after Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in December 2010. At the crime scene were two guns linked to the "Fast and Furious" operation.

    At an Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing last month, three federal firearms investigators testified that they wanted to "intervene and interdict" loads of guns, but were repeatedly ordered to step aside to allow suspected smugglers to carry the weapons over the border.

    Issa and Grassley have urged Holder to cooperate and turn over subpoenaed records that would reveal the scope of the government coverup.

    The alleged coverup involves three law enforcement agencies: the ATF, FBI and the DEA, or Drug Enforcement Administration.

    According to sources, unbeknown to the ATF, the target of their operation was a FBI confidential informant, a fact that only became known to them in April of this year after an 18-month investigation that cost millions of dollars of tax dollars.

    "They were going after someone they could never have," a source in Washington told Fox News. "The Mr. Big they wanted was using government money to buy guns that went to the cartels. The FBI knew it and didn't tell them."

    The confidential informant is a former high-level drug dealer who had been deported by the DEA. The FBI, however, recruited him as a counter-terrorism informant, providing information on potential dirty bombs or Al Qaeda suspects moving through the border region.

    The FBI informant was picked up on a DEA wiretap, and forwarded to the ATF.
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    The DoJ intentionally selling thousands of guns to drug cartels, and then threatening US gun shop owners who questioned their operation that if they didn't sell the guns to the drug cartels then they'd be charged with selling guns to the drug cartels.
    Total blackmail, lies, and obstruction of justice from the DoJ. Attempted cover-up by Eric Holder and the Obama DoJ. Burn these fuckers.

    This thing needs to get real ugly (exposing/prosecuting the DoJ/ATF for their crimes), but unfortunately those perpetrating these crimes are the same people responsible for persecuting them. The Department of Justice.
    Cover it up and sweep it under the rug while the president stays hush and plays dumb for the cameras.

    Mexican authorities are calling for those responsible to be extradited to Mexico in order to stand trial for their crimes against that country. Not gonna happen of course, but Mexican authorities are outraged.

    These guns are turning up in crimes in US neighborhoods now too, of course.

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    This thing could have Watergate like consequences. If Holder told Obama about it then a coverup insued. Wheres Deep Throat when you need him? I guess the Washington Post wont bother with this.
    Last edited by edwardv; 07.06.11 at 03:13 PM.
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