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    How to Get Your Boss Fired
    by Suzanne Lucas
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    Dear Evil HR Lady,

    My coworkers and I are all miserable because our manager is, in a word, terrible. While I'd love to list her shortcomings (they are many), I'll just say that in the seven months she has been here, she single-handedly ruined what used to be a fantastic, high-functioning group.

    Finally, one of our coworkers (we'll call her Tanya) approached HR about the problems we've been having. This launched a little investigation into our team. Over the past eight weeks or so, HR has been meeting with each of us individually, Tanya and our manager together, and the manager's boss (who visibly bristles every time this woman talks) separately. We were sure this investigation would culminate in our manager's termination. Yet, she persists.

    As far as we can tell, our manager is railroading us at every turn, and HR is blaming Tanya for being insubordinate. They also seem to think the rest of us are all on edge because Tanya and our manager don't get along. Dumb. It seems completely infeasible that they don't see what's really going on, but they've shown no indication that they're going to do anything but develop more "process" for us and mediate the conflict between Tanya and the manager. We're feeling pretty helpless right now.

    We're all actively looking for other jobs (and helping each other look), but we'd really love to salvage the situation here if at all possible. Is there anything you recommend we can do as a group to tactfully communicate, "You're about to lose an entire team of people if you don't get rid of the boss"? We're vaguely considering approaching HR as a group, but we're not even sure how that conversation would go. Any insight you can give would be greatly appreciated.

    I put some phrases from your email in bold.

    "We were sure...As far as we can tell...They also seem to think..."

    Notice that you all are sitting and hoping that your brave coworker, Tanya, solves the problem for you.

    If the HR person and the manager's manager thinks it's just because of a conflict between Tanya and the direct manager, it's because none of the rest of you have given them any reason to think otherwise.

    Yes, I frequently tell people that if they hate their jobs, they should look for new ones, and you're doing that.

    But in the mean time, you're miserable even at the same time you have someone from HR actively looking to help you.

    Do you know how many people would love for a response from their HR department?

    Heck, just an acknowledgment that someone, somewhere, is actually concerned about the success of this department, would be welcome.

    So, get off your rear ends and all of you who are helping each other look for new jobs, instead help the HR person know what is going on.

    I know you want to make sure you do it the "right" way.

    This desire for the perfect, risk free solution where bad manager goes away and everyone else lives happily ever after is not likely to happen.

    If you wait until you have the perfect solution, you will miss all of the good enough solutions.

    Here are 5 things you should do.

    1. Document, document, document. You said you had a whole host of complaints about your manager. Document these, but not just as a list of faults, but as a list of examples. So, you don't write, "Manager is rude." You write, "On March 1, Manager interrupted Tanya 6 times in a five minute discussion. She raised her voice and called three people idiots."

    2. Talk directly to the HR person who is investigating. Don't rely on Tanya to relay information. Don't assume the HR person will come to you if she wants to hear your side of the story. Make your own appointment, or grab the HR person in the hall, but go and talk to her now.

    3. Encourage your coworkers to do the same thing. If all of you explain what's going on, the powers that be will be better able to understand what the true problem is.

    4. Make sure you are direct and clear. People tend to downplay the problem when asked directly. So, when you go to the HR person say clearly, "This is not about a conflict between the boss and Tanya." Then refer to your documented list of problems. Do not sugar coat it with words like, "sometimes" or "I feel" or "maybe." You don't say, "I feel like the deadlines she gives are unrealistic and that causes stress." You say, "The deadlines she gives are unrealistic. For instance..."

    5. Be prepared for nothing to change. The manager's manager isn't taking care of the problem. One of the reasons why this happens is that this person made the hiring decision. If she acknowledges that this manager is an idiot, she also has to acknowledge that she made a poor hiring decision. People don't like to admit their faults, so they tend to ignore this type of problem for as long as possible.

    I know it's unpleasant and scary. But, it's clear that the "wait and see" method isn't working. Speak up and speak up now. And keep your resume up to date.

    Suzanne Lucas is a longtime HR professional who blogs for BNET as Evil HR Lady.
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    I'm sorry, but.. what?!? Give me a rewrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas_kudochop View Post
    I'm sorry, but.. what?!? Give me a rewrite.
    I manage 30 employees. Botton line, if it isn't documented, it didn't happen. Document everything.

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    I learned this lesson the hard way........


    Look for another fucking job. No, it's not easy - there isn't much out there, but chances are that the boss you hate got there for a reason that serves someone else. They usually have to fuck up BIG time in order to get fired, but they're usually just a giant annoyance.

    I had to get out of my last gig. There was no other way around it. Truth hurts, I hated that the work was left up to me to improve my situation but themz was the facts. Get your resume out there, make contact, and be patient. I was looking to get out of my gig for years before I got to where I am now.
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    I hate corporate management. Such a fucked up stupid counterproductive world. It's intolerable. I've had some great jobs with some great hard working teams and it's always ruined by incompetent self-preserving management. I was always at war with those stupid bitches for the better part of 20 years. Taken on my share of HR departments too, protecting myself and others from their bullshit. Like Brett said, they're only there to protect the company. Fuck them all.
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    back in my stamping plant days the plant was ran by this guy who got his job cause me felll off the forks of the hilo one day and hurt his back, this moron was actually standing on the forks of the hilo and was about 35 feet up. Rather than the company deal with a lawsuit with him they told him he could manage the plant. he was the most idiotic person I have ever met......we actually were gonna go out in the parking lot and fight a few times (I was only 22). I told him I could kick his ass and still have time to come in sit down and enjoy my lunch (we had a 20 minute lunch break)....lol. anyway I started documenting all the stupidity he did and eventually with the help of some others got him fired. We got into it big time the day he left cause he knew he had nothing to lose.

    long story short: we moved the plant from troy (nice "rich" city) down to the bowels of detroit (horrible part of town with an actual crack house right across the street). the move went really bad (which was all stuff my former boss had set up BTW). our production sucked cause everythign was fucked and in about 6 months they brought him back. I was screwed.

    I ended up getting transferred to the worst job in the company-running a manual pack line where I actually had to hand stack 20,000 lbs of fasteners a day (back, shoulders and wrists are destroyed) but I got out of there 3 months later and now have a nice cozy desk and don't bitch about anything....ever.

    just my $0.02

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    I had a boss who flat out lied and blamed me for her incompetency in front of a group of sales people by saying we didn't have parts because I wasn't doing my job in ordering them. I had documentation to prove she sat on the order for months after it was submitted for approval. She did lots of other foul things in the name of making herself look good and often at my expense. I took all the documentation to the National Manager (one rung up the food chain, who had hand picked me, trained me and I was great friends with) and even though he agreed, said I was totally right, there was really nothing he could do. She was the only woman district manager and they didn't want a discrimination law suit. He couldn't remove me from managing her district's inventory because they would have to hire two people for a job that I was handling by myself so the company wouldn't approve it.

    Started looking right after the meeting and about a month later I quit after getting a new job. Even with documentation, even with knowing the right people and having a good rapport, you might not get the end result that should happen.
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    Speaking of crappy bosses, no good deed goes unpunished (although we may not have all the information of what they did with the backpack):

    3 men who discovered bomb say they later lost jobs


    SPOKANE, Wash. Three cleanup workers who were hailed as heroes after finding a live bomb along the route of a Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade in Spokane said they later lost their jobs after supervisors questioned their handling of the situation.

    The men were employed by Labor Ready and working under contract for the Spokane Public Facilities District when they found a backpack containing the bomb about an hour before the scheduled start of the Jan. 17 parade.

    They alerted police, who were able to defuse the bomb.

    "For the first two days, basically all we did was get chewed out," worker Mark Steiner told KHQ of Spokane. "We did this wrong. We did that wrong. I don't know what you consider calling 911 wrong after two minutes after we found it."

    Steiner, Brandon Klaus and Sherman Welpton had been hired to perform cleanup work during the parade and noticed the backpack on an outdoor bench.

    Officials for Labor Ready did not immediately return a telephone call from The Associated Press seeking comment.

    Kevin Twohig, head of the public facilities district, said the three men were not punished by the district.

    "They kept the incident from evolving into something much more dangerous," Twohig told The Spokesman-Review.

    But he said there was concern "they were messing around with the bomb."

    "I think they put themselves at more risk than they needed," Twohig said.

    The identities of the men were withheld until suspect, Kevin William Harpham, 36, was arrested Wednesday near Addy.

    Steiner told KHQ the three men were not trained to deal with suspicious packages.

    "We'd go out, and we'd clean up parking lots," he said. "Who knows what happens when you see a backpack sitting there? The first reaction is to pick it up and that's what we did, and we opened it, saw wires sticking out of it and called police."

    Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire and Spokane Mayor Mary Verner have praised the three workers in speeches for being vigilant.
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