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    Default question on who produced the unfinished follow up to "VHIII"...

    A question about the follow up to "VHIII". Was the unfinished album produced totally by Danny Kortchmar? cause I've read that Patrick Leonard produced some tracks too. Was it going to be a jointly produced album by the two of them? Can anyone clear this up...
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    I'm sure there's a thread here somewhere but I seem to remember it only getting as far as mentioning them both. Not really to what extent, but just their names.

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    Kootch has some great production credits and is a tremendous musician in his own right, granted I don't think he ever worked with anyone as explosive as Van Halen but it would have been interesting to hear what he could do with them.

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    Not to derail the thread, but the discussion of the succession of producers got me thinking.
    I don't know much about Shanks, but I will say that the fact he got Ed to record outside of 5150 is a HUGE achievement in a positive direction. Don't get me wrong, the studio holds a special place in my heart, and some great tuneage has come out of there, but I think getting Ed off his home turf and in a position to have to just focus on guitar and song ideas, and out of the control room was a great move. I'm not sure if it was in fact Shanks that came up with the idea, or an Executive decision, but I think it gives the next album a much better chance at being successful.
    I'm positive this has been the main issue since at least 96, and the number of rumors regarding personnel through the 5150 doors seems to back it up.

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    If you line up most of the producers VH has tried since VHIII, there's a common thread, a pattern emerging. They are all from outside the rock world. Up until now, though, the results have not been very satisfying.

    When VH was working with rock producers in the early nineties like Andy Johns and Bruce Fairbairn, it did deliver some great production. I can't really understand the current trend. It hasn't produced any hits, that's for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by we die young View Post
    Not to derail the thread, but the discussion of the succession of producers got me thinking.
    I don't know much about Shanks, but I will say that the fact he got Ed to record outside of 5150 is a HUGE achievement in a positive direction. Don't get me wrong, the studio holds a special place in my heart, and some great tuneage has come out of there, but I think getting Ed off his home turf and in a position to have to just focus on guitar and song ideas, and out of the control room was a great move. I'm not sure if it was in fact Shanks that came up with the idea, or an Executive decision, but I think it gives the next album a much better chance at being successful.
    I'm positive this has been the main issue since at least 96, and the number of rumors regarding personnel through the 5150 doors seems to back it up.
    Doesn't surprise me. 5150 might be slightly out dated for today's format. Not that I even know what they would be recording in.

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    Outdated compared to the SH*T being recorded nowadays, yup!

    Seriously, not sure what is outdated there, new technology is mainly all computers, which EVH (or more probably his tech) already bought.
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    Even still. Shanks might not be comfortable w/ his equipment. He has to lay tracks down in a familiar location.

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    Patrick Leonard produced two songs for the follow-up to III. As far as I know, they were done. Robbes was engineering. Danny Kortchmar was producing (with Edward, I believe) the rest of the album when WB pulled the rug out from under them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    If you line up most of the producers VH has tried since VHIII, there's a common thread, a pattern emerging. They are all from outside the rock world. Up until now, though, the results have not been very satisfying.

    When VH was working with rock producers in the early nineties like Andy Johns and Bruce Fairbairn, it did deliver some great production. I can't really understand the current trend. It hasn't produced any hits, that's for sure.
    You are only basing that off of one guy, Mike Post.

    They haven't put anything out since then unless you count the three BOBW tracks, and I don't recall who produced those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    You are only basing that off of one guy, Mike Post.

    They haven't put anything out since then unless you count the three BOBW tracks, and I don't recall who produced those.
    Glen Ballard, who produced the 2 Dave tracks on BOVI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    If you line up most of the producers VH has tried since VHIII, there's a common thread, a pattern emerging. They are all from outside the rock world. Up until now, though, the results have not been very satisfying.

    When VH was working with rock producers in the early nineties like Andy Johns and Bruce Fairbairn, it did deliver some great production. I can't really understand the current trend. It hasn't produced any hits, that's for sure.
    This analysis isn't that linear. Most of the VH producers from Templeman to Fairbairn have worked with a myriad of acts that were FAR from rock bands. To say one is a "Rock Producer" and the others aren't isn't really creating the full picture.

    Maybe there is a leaning or a tendency, but that has nothing to do with their approach and more to do with the type of work and projects they enjoy doing. Good producers can translate their skill to any style of music band or artist plays. Their job is to get the best out of the artists that are in front of them at the time and help them to put THEIR unique best-self forward.

    I've done some very low-level production work in a former life and, to me, working with R&B/Pop, Grunge Bands (that should date my work right there) and rock bands was no different for me.

    Then again, that might be why I'm not doing it anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless Fable View Post
    Glen Ballard, who produced the 2 Dave tracks on BOVI.
    ...and ED.

 

 

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