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    I'm trying to figure out a manufactured date on a PV Wolf Special US I got used a couple years ago. I've searched with no luck. I've heard there's really no rhyme or reason to Peavey's serial numbers (for dating anyway). The Peavey forums say that they are currently unable to decode serial numbers on older stuff. My serial # is 51089413 if anyone can help. Thanks in advance AT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjk View Post
    I'm trying to figure out a manufactured date on a PV Wolf Special US I got used a couple years ago. I've searched with no luck. I've heard there's really no rhyme or reason to Peavey's serial numbers (for dating anyway). The Peavey forums say that they are currently unable to decode serial numbers on older stuff. My serial # is 51089413 if anyone can help. Thanks in advance AT.
    Is it a custom shop special? I think the last number is the production year.

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    I think the only way you could get the info you are looking for is if you have the check list that came with the guitar or if Peavey gets there crap in order. If the serial number started with a 9 (most American Wolfgangs had these serial numbers) you might of been able to estimate when it was made. Good news is with that serial number it is definitely American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjk View Post
    I'm trying to figure out a manufactured date on a PV Wolf Special US I got used a couple years ago. I've searched with no luck. I've heard there's really no rhyme or reason to Peavey's serial numbers (for dating anyway). The Peavey forums say that they are currently unable to decode serial numbers on older stuff. My serial # is 51089413 if anyone can help. Thanks in advance AT.
    It is (in all likelihood) either a 2003 or 2004 model. Almost all Peavey Wolfgangs manufactured started with a serial number of "91." This only changed shortly after Peavey moved all of their manufacturing to Meridian. Late in the Wolfgang run their serial numbers began with "50" and "51." The only date Peavey logs from your serial number is the ship date; the "born on" date comes with the checklist that originally came with the guitar. (Which is why it drives me crazy when owners lose the checklist.)

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    Thanks all. I figured it was a later model, it looked like it had hardly been played when I got it. It had the case and all the hardware, except no checklist or fretboard guard (if Specials even came with the fretguard, I don't see the point of them really).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AT View Post
    It is (in all likelihood) either a 2003 or 2004 model. Almost all Peavey Wolfgangs manufactured started with a serial number of "91." This only changed shortly after Peavey moved all of their manufacturing to Meridian. Late in the Wolfgang run their serial numbers began with "50" and "51." The only date Peavey logs from your serial number is the ship date; the "born on" date comes with the checklist that originally came with the guitar. (Which is why it drives me crazy when owners lose the checklist.)
    I have a Wolfgang Special Custom with a "5" serial number that was made in Leaksville. However, I think the neck might have been switched on the guitar before it was shipped.

    But AT is right. Yours probably is a 2003 or 2004.
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    found this on the wikipedia page for the Peavey EVH wolfgang, not sure of its accuracy but interesting. Can anyone verify if this is true

    "The Standard and American Special models are numbered in a sequential and chronological order, having 8 digits. The first two digits are always "91" and then two more digits indicate the year, with "00" indicating the first year of production (actually, late 1997 and all of 1998), "01" for 1999 and so on. The last four digits indicate the production order for that specific year. For example, "91027180" is the 7180th guitar built in 2000 (1998+02)."

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    Quote Originally Posted by spw5150 View Post
    found this on the wikipedia page for the Peavey EVH wolfgang, not sure of its accuracy but interesting. Can anyone verify if this is true

    "The Standard and American Special models are numbered in a sequential and chronological order, having 8 digits. The first two digits are always "91" and then two more digits indicate the year, with "00" indicating the first year of production (actually, late 1997 and all of 1998), "01" for 1999 and so on. The last four digits indicate the production order for that specific year. For example, "91027180" is the 7180th guitar built in 2000 (1998+02)."
    This is pure crap.

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    My black Pat Pending Standard is 91004630. Bought it used in 1999.
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    I am going to check my wolfgangs, I have a pat pending model that I assume is from 97 or 98, if it starts w/ 9100 , then maybe this info I found is correct.

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    My patent pending serial # starts with 9100 like yours Brett (Meaning made in 97 or 98) my other wolfgang starts with 9102 and I believe it was made in 2000 so that supports the theory I found on Wiki. Again it may be a coincidence but it seems to work for my guitars based on what I know about them.

    Who knows? I guess Peavey does

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    Quote Originally Posted by spw5150 View Post
    My patent pending serial # starts with 9100 like yours Brett (Meaning made in 97 or 98) my other wolfgang starts with 9102 and I believe it was made in 2000 so that supports the theory I found on Wiki. Again it may be a coincidence but it seems to work for my guitars based on what I know about them.

    Who knows? I guess Peavey does
    Like I said, the info from Wikipedia is pure crap. Someone was making stuff up (further evidenced by the fact that they called the arch top model a "Standard," which was never an official term used by Peavey--only one adopted by owners). I've owned 24 Wolfgangs and worked on many more. I've ALWAYS accurately dated my Wolfgangs through Peavey; and while those numbers coincidentally work out with a few of them, it doesn't with all of them. Moreover, I've never seen a Wolfgang with a fourth digit of its serial number higher than "2" (9102****). Also, prototype/pre-custom custom shop Wolfgangs had serial numbers that started with "1," and many 2003 and 2004 models started with "50" and "51."

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    Andrew knows his Wolfgangs lol. The 5 serial number means it came out of Meridian which I know is a fact as Geoff Knapp had told me that some years back. Andrew is correct as their was never a a fourth number higher than a two and that Wilki theory is just that. On Bretts Black Pat Pending that would mean that his was the 4630th Wolf produced.

    Their is some bullshit going on at Peavey with the serial numbers as they have been saying for quite a few years now that they can only find the numbers from 02 on, but I had a hook up until last year who I would call and get the month and year on any Wolf I asked about. So I am lucky that the ones I do not have the build sheet for I know the month and year.

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    Check out this now closed eBay auction, guys: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...TQ%3AUS%3A1123.

    This guy claimed this Wolfgang was a prototype and went on and on about how rare it was. Based on what I know about Peavey Wolfgangs and their serial numbers (which is a LOT--not trying to sound to cocky and/or dorky about it), he's been fed a very incorrect story.

    The serial number is 91012223, and it has the patent number under the EVH signature brand. It is undeniably a production model Peavey EVH Wolfgang built sometime between 1999-2001.

    His description:

    Here we have a FIRST YEAR of MANUFACTURE PEAVEY Eddie Van Halen (EVH) Wolfgang CT AAAAA Flamed Maple top! This one bears Eddie's personal stamp on the back of the headstock! It was selected by Eddie off of the first run to be the Neck Model for the ENTIRE LINE OF EVH Guitars! A Piece of EVH, Van Halen and Peavey history! Handmade is Peavey's USA Custom Shop, the Flame top on this baby is second to none!!! Amber Finish completes this gorgeous piece! The neck is showing plenty of Birdseye as well! Birdseye Maple Fretboard . Carved top!!! Peavey Tremelo (trem) Never played! Comes with Peavey Hardshell Case (OHSC), Paperwork and all case candy! YOU CAN"T BUY THIS ANYMORE! Don't settle for a lesser version when you can have an EVH-selected Wolfgang that is a Peavey Custom Shop Hand-built in the USA! These things are the most versatile guitar around! BRAND NEW!

    THIS GUITAR IS BRAND NEW. PICTURES DO IT ZERO JUSTICE. NEW IS WELL OVER $2400!!! SAVE THOUSANDS!!! GRAB A COLLECTOR'S GUITAR THAT WILL ONLY GO UP IN VALUE!


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    This is NOT a prototype Peavey Wolfgang, nor is a first year model or custom shop model. It is a production model Wolfgang made in, most likely, 2000. (Prototype models had serial numbers start with the number 1, and early Peavey Wolfgang models had a "Patent Pending" stamp under the EVH-branded signature.) Moreover, the first run of Wolfgangs were quilt tops, not flame tops. You'll want to change the language in your auction to be accurate and true.

    You can call Peavey Electronics directly to verify the production year and version of the Wolfgang you're selling.

    -AT


    He wrote this back:

    Hey AT,

    Thanks, But there were several one-offs that were made of Flamed Maple Tops the first year. That is where it gets a little confusing. The quilt tops were so hit-or-miss that they decided to experiment with flame tops. The first run of Wolfgangs were 2500, all marked with different numbers to differentiate neck shapes, etc. The QUILT top version were produced in the Peavey EVH STANDARD DELUXE, only 2000 were produced. This is a CT USA Custom Shop Model. You are accurate, but you have your models mixed up. The models in first year production are: Standard, Standard Deluxe and Custom Shop. The Custom shop produced the first CTs, which is what this is. Not to mention, after 2000, the pickup selector is on the lower bout of the guitar. Also, the EVH signature does say Patent Pending underneath it, as the pictures clearly show. This one was a Neck model. 1st year EVHs had serial numbers whose first number runs all the way into the 91s. This is from a Collection of a gentleman who owns every model of EVH built from Peavey, Musicman, and EVH, including several addressed to him from EVH and Hartley Peavey personally. Given that he has an entire room full of Peaveys and is a contributing Editor to several Guitar Publications, I will go on what he is telling me.

    Thanks and sorry for any confusion!
    Zack


    And I replied with this:

    Hi Zack:

    I hope you won't be offended when I say you've got your information really mixed up! Your source on Peavey Wolfgangs is quite wrong. I, too, have an entire room full of Peavey Wolfgangs and have communicated frequently with Peavey about their various origins. For example, there was no official Wolfgang model called a "Standard" or "Standard Deluxe." Those terms were adopted by Wolfgang owners but never used by Peavey. Also, the Custom Shop didn't even exist until 2002. All Wolfgangs, from the beginning of the run, had serial numbers starting with "91." Late in the run (2003 and 2004) some of them started with "50" and "51." A very few pre-Custom Shop prototype models had serial numbers starting with a "1." The pickup selector switch was NEVER moved to the "lower bought" of the guitar; it was and is on the top horn of the Wolfgang--prototype Wolfgangs to production models to Custom Shop models. Some of the information you were offering sounds a lot like what Peavey did post-Wolfgang, when they introduced the HP Special. There the switch was moved, body shape and headstock changed, and the Custom Shop did indeed build all of the early models. For absolute verification, call Peavey and ask them to date your Wolfgang and explain the exact model based on the serial number: 1-877-732-8391. While it will probably be frustrating to learn about your Wolfgang given the story you've been told about it, you'll find out the one you're selling here is indeed just a production model built a few years into the run. (Which is still a damn nice guitar!)

    Best of luck.

    AT


    I don't do a lot of "Wolfgang policing" on eBay these days, but this one was so ridiculous I had to at least try to correct the guy. He clearly had a lot of mixed up information. But, of course, someone bought this Wolfgang for $1,450 buy-it-now plus shipping! (Buyers do your research!!)

 

 

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