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    Default Judson Phillips, of the Tea Party Nation, dreams of a Methodist-free world

    Judson Phillips founded the "Tea Party Nation." Apparently that is a big-time group within the Tea Party movement. He recently posted a blog about his feelings concerning the United Methodist Church.

    http://www.tngovwatch.org/2010/12/my...hodist-church/

    My Dream: No more Methodist Church
    •Posted by Judson Phillips on December 19, 2010 at 2:38pm in Discussions
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    When I was in Washington this past Friday, I walked by the United Methodist Building, next to the Russell Office Building. The sign in front of the United Methodist Building said, “Pass the DREAM Act.”

    I have a DREAM. That is, no more United Methodist Church.

    I grew up in the Methodist church. I left as a teenager because the Methodist Church is little more than the first Church of Karl Marx. After all, what can you say about a church that considers Hillary Clinton to be a member in good standing?

    Today, the Methodist Church is little more than the “religious” arm of socialism.

    The Methodist church is pro-illegal immigration. They have been in the bag for socialist health care, going as far as sending out emails to their membership “debunking” the myths of Obamacare.

    Say, where are the liberal complaints on the separation of church and state?

    I guess their outrage is selective.

    The Methodists joined the Socialists, Communists and Marxists for the “One Nation” March. While the Methodists have been outraged that American used force to respond to 9/11, they remained shockingly silent on the torture by Muslims.

    Reading the Methodist social justice manifesto is like reading a socialist wish list. They want amnesty, they want “economic justice”, they opposed “global climate change” (earth to the Methodists, man isn’t doing it), fighting global poverty (here is another hint, most poverty is caused by a lack of freedom and lack of a free enterprise system). Not shockingly, the Methodists side with the Islamists against Israel, and of course oppose America in Iraq.

    In short, if you hate America, you have a great future in the Methodist church.

    At the local level, there are some good people and they even have a few decent ministers left, though not many.

    I left the Methodist church over 35 years ago. I have never looked back. The Methodist church is an embarrassing joke.

    I have a DREAM too. My dream is the Methodist church goes out of business.

    Given the Methodist church’s demographics and the rate they are losing members, that should happen sooner, rather than later.

    For the few remaining patriots in the Methodist church, know what that church supports and then you should abandon the church, much like the Methodist church as abandoned American values and patriotism.
    Stay out of it, dude.


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    Here is a response from a Methodist minister here in Houston. I find it quite good.

    http://blogs.chron.com/spiritedchat/...ica_local.html

    Methodists hate America? Local pastor responds

    This week, a Tea Party leader said, "If you hate America, you have a great future in the Methodist Church" and called for the denomination to disband because of their positions on the DREAM Act and other social issues. Here, Rev. Josh Hale, explains and defends the church's stance.

    Religion is necessarily social. And therefore, in our exercise of it today, it touches on all the great areas through which human beings create meaning and exercise our authority: politics; the military landscape; economically and financially; our cultural life: art, music, sports, writing, and the like; and communication individually, as well as on social media and through news organizations.

    And now I must read again reports today that decry the "socialist" nature of The United Methodist Church. Once again, we're in the headlines (not in a good way!) for having certain social postures which result from theological and doctrinal positions.

    I have to confess I hadn't heard of Judson Phillips before today. I would imagine he and I would disagree about this or that political issues, were we to be in a room together today. That's okay. There are big disagreements about the role religion plays in governance, about how to be responsible for all the citizens of our nation, and the exercise of faith in an increasingly diverse nation. We should disagree--there's a lot at stake!

    But if the goal of Mr Phillips' post was a broader dialogue about how the United Methodist Church engages social, political, and economic issues in the United States, it was unnecessarily inflammatory, and just wrong in some of its facts. And if the goal was to score some cheap points by exploiting our mass fascination with hatred, then it just makes me sad.

    Viciousness is not a virtue. It's not a Christian virtue, and it isn't an American virtue.

    When I hear protests of "socialism" and "abandoned American values," I can only think of my United Methodist brothers and sisters in Cote d'Ivoire trying to hold their rapidly fraying country together with prayer and peacemaking. Having been their guest, I can only imagine that they would instead direct our attention to the good news of Jesus: "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Not this nation or that, but a reality larger than any individual country or ideology.

    At the end of the day, I must ask: what binds me together with Bishop Benjamin Boni and the 700,000 other United Methodists in Cote d'Ivoire, or with the British Methodist congregations I once served? Not American values, nor even United Methodist ones. What binds me together with the Mary of Luke's Gospel, who sang praises to a God of upside-down values?

    He has brought down the powerful from their thrones,
    and lifted up the lowly;
    he has filled the hungry with good things,
    and sent the rich away empty. (1:52-53, NRSV)

    What binds me together with people who believe like me, and those who don't; with those who are proud to be Americans and those who live halfway around the globe; with people from across the ages?

    It would be easy for me to sit on the sidelines and refuse to take my place with them. May we remember--at this very time of year, even--how blessed we are that God didn't stand idly by on the sidelines and mock our frail and broken human efforts. Instead, in Jesus Christ, God jumped down into the dirt, pitched a tent in the middle of our human experience, and began the work of remaking us into a whole and holy people.

    And that's good news even for us, and those with whom we disagree!

    Want to know more about the social stances of The United Methodist Church? Visit here.

    For a great discussion of what's at stake in Christian faithfulness and public office, read this article in the Englewood Review of Books.

    Rev. Hale, aka the expatminister, is a Rice University grad and the pastor of college/young adult ministry at Wesley United Methodist Church in Beaumont.
    Stay out of it, dude.


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    Wow, I attend a United Methodist church and never have I heard the pastor preaching from the pulpit that we should become a socialist country. As the pastor above mentions, religion is necessarily social. Jesus was all about doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. This is not something unique to the Methodists but is a common theme for most Christian churches. I'm not sure what this guys issue is with targeting the Methodist church but I guess he has not read about the Catholic church setting up places for illegals to get food and water as they come over the border. The Baptist church is supportive from a humanitarian viewpoint. The same can be said for Obamacara. Of course churches would be supportive. They are all about helping the poor and needy and part of that would be socialized medicine. This guy seems to have an issue with a church he left many years ago and now has an axe to grind.
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    Wow. OK. As a member of the Methodist church i didnt realize we were so, edgy.
    Dealing with it.

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    He is an idiot, the Methodist Church should be glad they got rid of him.

    When did we all become such a bunch of fucking lemmings that we can't think for ourselves?

    I go to church, and you know what, I don't agree with everything I hear. Shocking, I know. Did this idiot maybe think that the Methodist Church is not some vast liberal arm of the Democratic party, and maybe, like many religious organizations, they actually care about the poor and the less fortunate. Doesn't make them socialist, they are just one of the organizations that actually makes it easier for us to NOT be socialist.

    I like the saying by Ronald Reagan in which someone who agrees with me 80% of the time is my ally, not my enemy.

    These fucking right wing Republicans (and left wing Democrats to be fair) feel that if you don't buy into their bullshit 100% there is somethine wrong with you.

    F'em.
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