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    Default 150th Anniversary of the secession of South Carolina marked by gala ball

    The 150th anniversary of the Civil War is going largely unnoticed by cash strapped states, but organizers of a $100 a plate "Gala" found themselves themselves facing protests by the NAACP

    is seceding from the union really an appropriate event to "celebrate" Certainly it is an historical event to be commemorated .....but a fancy gala? I don't know, but I think it is in very poor taste.

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    CHARLESTON -- At South Carolina's Secession Gala, men in frock coats and militia uniforms and women in hoopskirts will sip mint juleps as a band called Unreconstructed plays "Dixie." In Georgia, they will re-enact the state's 1861 secession convention. And Alabama will hold a mock swearing-in of Confederate President Jefferson Davis.
    Across the South, preparations are under way for the 150th anniversary of the Civil War. And while many organizations are working to incorporate both the black and the white experience, there are complaints that some events will overlook the fundamental reason for the war: slavery.
    "It's almost like celebrating the Holocaust," said Benard Simelton, president of the Alabama conference of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "Our rights were taken away and we were treated as less than human beings. To relive that in a celebratory way I don't think is right."


    Mark Simpson, commander of the South Carolina Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, acknowledged that an event such as the Dec. 20 Secession Gala in Charleston is seen by some Americans as politically incorrect. But "to us it's part of our nature and our culture and our heritage."
    "Slavery was a very big issue. Anyone who denies that has his head in a hole somewhere," said Simpson, a Spartanburg businessman who counts 32 ancestors who fought for the South. "But slavery was not the single nor primary cause, and that's where the line gets drawn."
    Simpson said the primary cause was states' rights - the purported right of states to nullify federal laws and freely leave the Union they voluntarily joined.
    Many historians would disagree, and strongly.
    "Slavery was the principal cause of the Civil War, period," said Bob Sutton, chief historian for the National Park Service. "Yes, politics was important. Yes, economics were important. Yes, social issues were important. But when you get to the core of why all these things were important, it was slavery."
    A few weeks before the first shots of the war were fired at Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor, Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens called slavery "the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."
    But as the war progressed, the Confederate government shifted its rationale to states' rights because Davis knew neither England nor other third powers would support the South in a war to preserve slavery, Sutton said.
    And after the war, writers and historians who were part of what became known as the Lost Cause movement contended it was fought not over slavery - which they characterized as a benign institution - but over states' rights.
    "The interesting thing about the Civil War, unlike almost any other war, is generally the victor is the one who controls the story," Sutton said. "The Civil War is different in that the Lost Cause really was the message about the Civil War well into the 20th century."
    For the 150th anniversary, some commemorations are being conducted under state auspices, while others are being privately organized, such as the mock swearing-in in Alabama and the $100-a-head Charleston gala, which will mark the day South Carolina became the first state to secede, Dec. 20, 1860.
    The state's NAACP chapter plans a protest march and vigil outside the city-owned auditorium where the party will be held.
    "I don't care how they try to dress it up - that term 'putting lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig' - they are going to be hard-pressed to find a mixed audience for what they are putting on," Joe McGill, a black historian from Charleston, said of the Secession Gala.
    McGill sees the 150th anniversary as an opportunity to tell stories that weren't told 50 years ago, those of blacks and the black units who fought for the Union.
    During the next four years, there are plans in South Carolina for events that will commemorate the freeing of slaves and the seizure of a Confederate ship by a slave. In Virginia, a conference this fall was called "Race, Slavery and the Civil War: The Tough Stuff of American History." And last month, black re-enactors from 13 states marched through Harrisburg, Pa., commemorating a similar parade there at the end of the Civil War


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    The Civil War was about multiple issues, not just slavery, but anytime a southern state celebrates the secession from the Union they are going to be criticized.

    They knew this would happen before they organized it, and obviously didn't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    The Civil War was about multiple issues, not just slavery
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombattt View Post
    Please, do tell.
    I have read a lot of books on the subject, as Lincoln is just a fascinating man to read about, but here below is a good summary.

    The Civil War lasted from 1861 to 1865 and led to over 618,000 casualties. Its causes can be traced back to tensions that formed early in the nation's history. Following are the top five causes that led to the "War Between the States."
    1. Economic and social differences between the North and the South.

    With Eli Whitney's invention of the cotton gin in 1793, cotton became very profitable. This machine was able to reduce the time it took to separate seeds from the cotton. However, at the same time the increase in the number of plantations willing to move from other crops to cotton meant the greater need for a large amount of cheap labor, i.e. slaves. Thus, the southern economy became a one crop economy, depending on cotton and therefore on slavery. On the other hand, the northern economy was based more on industry than agriculture. In fact, the northern industries were purchasing the raw cotton and turning it into finished goods. This disparity between the two set up a major difference in economic attitudes. The South was based on the plantation system while the North was focused on city life. This change in the North meant that society evolved as people of different cultures and classes had to work together. On the other hand, the South continued to hold onto an antiquated social order.

    2. States versus federal rights.

    Since the time of the Revolution, two camps emerged: those arguing for greater states rights and those arguing that the federal government needed to have more control. The first organized government in the US after the American Revolution was under the Articles of Confederation. The thirteen states formed a loose confederation with a very weak federal government. However, when problems arose, the weakness of this form of government caused the leaders of the time to come together at the Constitutional Convention and create, in secret, the US Constitution. Strong proponents of states rights like Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry were not present at this meeting. Many felt that the new constitution ignored the rights of states to continue to act independently. They felt that the states should still have the right to decide if they were willing to accept certain federal acts. This resulted in the idea of nullification, whereby the states would have the right to rule federal acts unconstitutional. The federal government denied states this right. However, proponents such as John C. Calhoun fought vehemently for nullification. When nullification would not work and states felt that they were no longer respected, they moved towards secession.

    3. The fight between Slave and Non-Slave State Proponents.

    As America began to expand, first with the lands gained from the Louisiana Purchase and later with the Mexican War, the question of whether new states admitted to the union would be slave or free. The Missouri Compromise passed in 1820 made a rule that prohibited slavery in states from the former Louisiana Purchase the latitude 36 degrees 30 minutes north except in Missouri. During the Mexican War, conflict started about what would happen with the new territories that the US expected to gain upon victory. David Wilmot proposed the Wilmot Proviso in 1846 which would ban slavery in the new lands. However, this was shot down to much debate. The Compromise of 1850 was created by Henry Clay and others to deal with the balance between slave and free states, northern and southern interests. One of the provisions was the fugitive slave act that was discussed in number one above. Another issue that further increased tensions was the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854. It created two new territories that would allow the states to use popular sovereignty to determine whether they would be free or slave. The real issue occurred in Kansas where proslavery Missourians began to pour into the state to help force it to be slave. They were called "Border Ruffians." Problems came to a head in violence at Lawrence Kansas. The fighting that occurred caused it to be called "Bleeding Kansas." The fight even erupted on the floor of the senate when antislavery proponent Charles Sumner was beat over the head by South Carolina's Senator Preston Brooks.

    4. Growth of the Abolition Movement.

    Increasingly, the northerners became more polarized against slavery. Sympathies began to grow for abolitionists and against slavery and slaveholders. This occurred especially after some major events including: the publishing of Harriet Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin, the Dred Scott Case, John Brown's Raid, and the passage of the fugitive slave act that held individuals responsible for harboring fugitive slaves even if they were located in non-slave states.

    5. The election of Abraham Lincoln.

    Even though things were already coming to a head, when Lincoln was elected in 1860, South Carolina issued its "Declaration of the Causes of Secession." They believed that Lincoln was anti-slavery and in favor of Northern interests. Before Lincoln was even president, seven states had seceded from the Union: South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas.
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    1. we have slaves and you don't

    2. don't tell us we can't have slaves

    3. we like having slaves

    4. you don't like that we have slaves

    5. this guy's gonna tell us we can't have slaves

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007 View Post
    1. we have slaves and you don't

    2. don't tell us we can't have slaves

    3. we like having slaves

    4. you don't like that we have slaves

    5. this guy's gonna tell us we can't have slaves
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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007 View Post
    1. we have slaves and you don't

    2. don't tell us we can't have slaves

    3. we like having slaves

    4. you don't like that we have slaves

    5. this guy's gonna tell us we can't have slaves
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    Ha! ......that's the civil war tiny url !

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    So in theory south carolina is celebrating loosing? Sometimes it's hard being a southerner.

 

 

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