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    I'm generally a "glass is half full" kind of person when it comes to life experiences and whatnot. There's always something to be learned from every situation. Last week (Monday night) I was driving home around 8:00 PM from my usual teaching job at a local music store. Here in Minnesota we were having yet ANOTHER snowstorm (this has been our snowiest December on record). Merging onto a freeway, the wheels of my car hit pure ice, and in about 1.5 seconds I had spun out and slammed head-on into the concrete median. Car smashed to hell, airbags deployed, etc. I was okay (except for a slightly broken nose from the airbag) and immediately got on the phone with 911. The cops were extremely nice, as was the tow truck driver. I was home within two hours and dealing with the situation as best I could.

    Now my reason for posting this in the Guitar Room: A client's guitar was in the car with me. I was taking it home to do a slight modification to the pickup wiring. I almost always keep my guitar (when in my regular gig bag) in the front passenger seat. And that's where his guitar was. It stayed there through the tow and everything, and after we dropped my car off at the body shop I unloaded things into my wife's car. I kept thinking I should check his guitar, but nothing about the case seemed odd, and with all the chaos surrounding the accident dealings and the holidays I didn't open it until just now. Guess what? Broken headstock. I'd been very thankful that no one else got hurt in this accident, but it turns out someone did. I'll have to see if insurance will cover this (they will probably be quite curious to know why it took me a week to report it). His guitar is relatively inexpensive--an Ibanez ART-100 (http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/p...tar?sku=512354). But right now I find myself feeling terrible and hoping the situation is easily resolved.

    Any thoughts on fixing this? I know it's quite common with Gibsons. In fact I know a guy who specializes in fixing broken Gibson headstocks specifically. But the finish is never clean again, and the guitar is always "broken." I think I'm mostly venting, but if anyone has any thoughts I'm curious to hear them. (I emailed my client immediately after discovering this and told him the situation would be resolved 100% to his satisfaction.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by AT View Post
    Merging onto a freeway, the wheels of my car hit pure ice, and in about 1.5 seconds I had spun out and slammed head-on into the concrete median. Car smashed to hell, airbags deployed, etc. I was okay (except for a slightly broken nose from the airbag) and immediately got on the phone with 911.
    Damn, AT, that sucks!! A broken nose is no joke, but glad to hear you're alright otherwise.
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    I would hope that your insurance covers the cost to replace the guitar (or repair, if that's what the client wants).
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    Damn man...I really sorry to hear about your accident and I'm super relieved to hear you only walked away with a few bumps and bruises.

    I'm sure if you talk with your adjuster and explain the situation, that you didn't check the guitar until a few days after the wreck etc etc...they'll add to the policy but they may not cover the whole amount. You may still need to pull money out of pocket to replace or repair it.

    Keep us posted...but seriously, very glad to hear you're ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AT View Post
    I'll have to see if insurance will cover this (they will probably be quite curious to know why it took me a week to report it).
    WOW! Unless you have a specific rider for property in an auto, I think personal items are covered under your home owners policy in an auto accident. I'm not sure how that would work since you technically don't own the guitar. good-luck!

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    Take care of your client as best as you can. If he sees you are doing your best to take care of him, he should be satisfied. It's just a guitar really. You were lucky to walk away from that with no major injuries. Any rational human being would think like this, so hopefully the guy doesn't make things difficult for you, but if he does...oh well. You are still alive and healthy. I live in Canada and we have the same winters you guys in Minnesota do, so I know what it's like driving in those conditions, it can get pretty scary.

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    Glad your ok. I hit some black ice too a few winters back. The car in front of me went flying into a stream. For some reason I just wobbled. Maybe it was the 4 Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice tires I had.
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    Sorry about the accident. Glad you are okay.

    In this case, I think you really have to just replace the guitar. I'm not saying the original guitar can't be fixed, but the right thing to do is get him a new one.

    Those guitars aren't terribly expensive, so it shouldn't be too big of a bite. I'd get him a new one, repair the old one and keep it for myself.
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    My client (who is also a student--a guy in his 50s) emailed me back this morning and was VERY understanding. He knows me well enough to know I'm not going to let him get screwed in this whole deal.

    By the way, here's a picture I took of my car today as I cleaned out my stuff:



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    Hey AT,

    Glad you are ok. Sorry about the nose. Man, that is rough.

    Maybe you could just let him borrower one of your black cherry Wolfs for a bit .

    Also glad he is understanding. I've replaced a headstock on one Les Paul. It went much better than I expected. And from the looks of how that broke, there is plenty of neck to work with behind the first and second fret. But, as far as being cost affective, is that something you would fix or would you have it done? If you were to have it done by someone else, what would they charge? Is the guitar worth that much to do that? Or does the owner just want something nice to play? It would be easier to just replace it I think, but guess that's the owner's call.

    You mean well, and you are doing the right things. It will work out well.

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    I've fixed a LP headstock that was broken like that. It DID work, and the guitar was playable again, but like you said, the finish could not be repaired. I used decent wood glue -- not even epoxy or anything like that, so if you try to repair it, just clamp it from as many angles that you can and let it set up for 2 days or so. Good luck man.

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    I'd post over at Jemsite or some of the other Ibanez sites. Jemsite has a classified section you can post in. You might find someone who have a spare one or know where to get one for cheap. As you said, it's an inexpensive guitar, so maybe a replacement neck wouldn't cost too much. If you could find a decent secondhand neck, I'm sure your client wouldn't mind.

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    Hi AT. sorry to hear about your wreck. Glad you're OK. I'm not sure if this is a glue in neck or not, but I thought I'd post a link to a guy Shane used, and I still go to. Not saying you should send it to this guy, but more of what is possible with a break like this. The break on your student's is even cleaner given the glue joint is what failed mainly, but check this out. This was actually a severe neck break, and the truss rod was also replaced in this case. Granted this is a fretboard removal repair, which wouldn't be necesary on the Ibanez, but this shows that as long as the break is clean, with a little time patience and retoning the finish touch up, it can be repaired very well. It's fitted and clamped in the way MRJ suggests. I'd only go to this option if it is a glue-in neck however. Bolt on, just get another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAD-1972 View Post
    WOW! Unless you have a specific rider for property in an auto, I think personal items are covered under your home owners policy in an auto accident. I'm not sure how that would work since you technically don't own the guitar. good-luck!
    AT - Glad YOUR in 1 piece !!
    As fate would have it, I'm an insurance agent and I don't believe this will be covered as you don't own it. And..... smaller claims are not advised as that can increase your home insurance rates over time. Obviously, check with your agent.

    You strike me as a straight shooter and you'll make it good. My gut also tells me your client will understand, based upon knowing you.

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    Man ! Well, you came out in 1 piece , that is what counts. Black ice always makes me sweat. So dangerous. Better a broken nose than a bashed up face or worse. Stay safe.

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