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    Default Anyone here have Tinnitus? Non stop ringing in the ears from Rock n roll.

    Ive had a slight ringing in my ears for years.
    Used to jam all the time and never used ear plugs.

    About 5 years ago i was driving and thought my right speaker in my car was crapping out but turned out it was my right ear.

    So i went to an ear specialist and they told me i had slight hearing loss and ringing in my ears.
    It's funny because it didn't really bother me till i went to the ear specialist and they told me that i had it.

    Couple years later i took a friend to see NIN in concert that that show was so loud even with ear plugs i had to cover my ears - it was painful!!!!

    The past few years i stopped wearing ear plugs and have been fine - the ringing wasn't so bad but have been playing with this band recently and their practice room is very small and 3 weeks ago i walked out of there and my left ear was totally shot - and i was wearing ear plugs!

    So for 3 weeks now ive had LOUD non stop ringing in both ears and it's driving me crazy!

    I know pretty much every musician has ringing in the ears to some degree but who here has a real problem with it?
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    Hmm, if your ears are still ringing even after wearing earplugs thats weird. What kinda plugs do you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VHwasCoolestWithDLR View Post
    Hmm, if your ears are still ringing even after wearing earplugs thats weird. What kinda plugs do you use?
    That day i was wearing those orange foam ones.
    Should have worn the putty ones swimmers use.
    Those cover the ears and totally block everything out.
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    Hi,
    I have had Tinnitus since March 09' in my left ear. It has taken some time to adjust to it as it drove me literally crazy for awhile. I listened to music loud and never used earplugs at concerts or when I played guitar in a band. It recently got louder after a dentist appt for fillings and I am having a harder time adjusting to the current level. What gets me through is I am a single dad of a 15 yr old boy and I have to be here for him so I dont have the time to let it drive me crazy plus there are many people in the world worse off who would trade with me in a second. I kinda helps me to think everyone else around me hears the same annoying sound and they seem to deal with it ok. Hope your ringing is temporary. Rock on.
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    I don't have "constant" ringing but if I go to a loud show or have an intense rehearsal I'm fucked for days.

    It started years ago when I was playing drums in my first couple bands...sitting behind the kit with all the cymbals and such really just killed me.

    I began wearing plugs but not that spongey shit. I wear "filters." They're laytex and have a metal cylinder filter inside them that removes the ultra high and low frequencies. They're fantastic. I'm able to hold a regular conversation at normal volumes without removing the plugs and it doesn't necessarily reduce the volume, it just sort of cuts all that "hissssss."

    You know what I mean?

    I'm at the point where if I didn't take care of myself every single time out, I'd be one of those guys who had constant ringing every day no matter the situation or environment. As much as I'd like to say that rock and roll is all about volume and feed that whole legend and myth, I can't. I suffer from migraines, incredible sensitivity to noise and certain frequencies. I can't tolerate the TV volume at anything above a whisper and if I go to a rock show, I HAVE to wear these.

    I swear by them...best thing on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broken9500 View Post
    I don't have "constant" ringing but if I go to a loud show or have an intense rehearsal I'm fucked for days.

    It started years ago when I was playing drums in my first couple bands...sitting behind the kit with all the cymbals and such really just killed me.

    I began wearing plugs but not that spongey shit. I wear "filters." They're laytex and have a metal cylinder filter inside them that removes the ultra high and low frequencies. They're fantastic. I'm able to hold a regular conversation at normal volumes without removing the plugs and it doesn't necessarily reduce the volume, it just sort of cuts all that "hissssss."

    You know what I mean?

    I'm at the point where if I didn't take care of myself every single time out, I'd be one of those guys who had constant ringing every day no matter the situation or environment. As much as I'd like to say that rock and roll is all about volume and feed that whole legend and myth, I can't. I suffer from migraines, incredible sensitivity to noise and certain frequencies. I can't tolerate the TV volume at anything above a whisper and if I go to a rock show, I HAVE to wear these.

    I swear by them...best thing on the market.

    Here's a link:

    http://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Ear-Valv.../dp/B0035GX7J2

    I bought those same ear plugs in 2006 and used to use them.
    Tried em again recently and they didn't help at all.
    Ears were buzzing like crazy after practice.
    Maybe i didn't screw them in far enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jes Halen View Post
    Hi,
    I have had Tinnitus since March 09' in my left ear. It has taken some time to adjust to it as it drove me literally crazy for awhile. I listened to music loud and never used earplugs at concerts or when I played guitar in a band. It recently got louder after a dentist appt for fillings and I am having a harder time adjusting to the current level. What gets me through is I am a single dad of a 15 yr old boy and I have to be here for him so I dont have the time to let it drive me crazy plus there are many people in the world worse off who would trade with me in a second. I kinda helps me to think everyone else around me hears the same annoying sound and they seem to deal with it ok. Hope your ringing is temporary. Rock on.
    Thanks man!

    I heard that William Shatner has had it very bad since the 60's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybeane View Post
    I bought those same ear plugs in 2006 and used to use them.
    Tried em again recently and they didn't help at all.
    Ears were buzzing like crazy after practice.
    Maybe i didn't screw them in far enough?
    might not be the same thing but there were a few occasions where I felt they weren't doing any good and I would struggle and complain to my bandmates. In my specific case, it was a matter of not "screwing" or "plugging" them in far enough. After a few weeks of figuring out how to use them, I realized that in order for the plugs/filters to "work" for me, I had to stick them in "good and tight" which meant over-coming my crazy ear fear. I have always been deathly afraid of rupturing my own ear drums from using a Q-tip or scratching to deep or whatever.

    Once I realized that these things create a bit of a "seal" in my ear canal and that such a "seal" is necessary for the filters to do their job....and once I got used to the feeling/sensation of the latex plug in my ear, I realized/enjoyed the full benefits of the design....and realized they were quite comfortable.

    As I said, I would have normal conversations with them...they would stay in for 8+ hours through rehearsals and gigs and I got to a point where I stopped noticing them at all. There have been many occasions where I'd get all the way home and go in the bathroom to wash up and realize "oh hell...my plugs are still in."

    I'm still fascinated by how they don't actually muffle or reduce "volume" they just sort of "filter" the painful tones/undertones/overtones/whatever that gave me such dabilitating headaches and migraines. Seriously...people could whisper in my ear and I had no problem hearing them.

    Before these, I would be on the shelf for days. I couldn't play/rehearse/jam/listen to the radio with the windows down in the car/couldn't do anything that involved sound above the most moderate gentle tones/volume without experiencing that ringing/hazy/muffled hearing for days on end.

    Shit, about a year ago I saw Extreme in Houston...at the worst shit bar in town...I didn't take my plugs...FOUR DAYS. I actually called in sick because I was nauseated, couldn't hear anything other than a hazy combo of a high pitched whine and a low end bassy pounding.

    Once I discovered them (thanks to a drum tech at Guitar Center) I've felt invincible. I can endure the most grueling metal shows, the most cacaphonous punk shows, survive the most awful auditions and "jam" sessions anyone can cook up.

    I've bought a set for The Wife so she can enjoy rock concerts and pub shows.

    They are a life saviour.

    I'll stop short of declaring that these are a cure-all for everyone...but I will say that, in my personal experience and in the experience of those around me, they have been THE MOST effective and easy to use method of protecting someone's hearing WITHOUT distorting/disrupting the actual sound/"tone" of the music being listened to or performed and, as far as a "civilian" going to a rock show, they are the ONLY thing I suggest for them to protect themselves without actually changing or ruining the sonic enjoyment of what they're going to see/hear....quite the contrary...in many occasions, these have been the only thing that has allowed me to hear the music in the manner which the band/artist intended the audience to hear it...despite shitty acoustics/sound guys/or the tried but not-true-at-all notion that "if it's too loud, you're too old."
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybeane View Post
    Ive had a slight ringing in my ears for years.
    Used to jam all the time and never used ear plugs.

    About 5 years ago i was driving and thought my right speaker in my car was crapping out but turned out it was my right ear.

    So i went to an ear specialist and they told me i had slight hearing loss and ringing in my ears.
    It's funny because it didn't really bother me till i went to the ear specialist and they told me that i had it.

    Couple years later i took a friend to see NIN in concert that that show was so loud even with ear plugs i had to cover my ears - it was painful!!!!

    The past few years i stopped wearing ear plugs and have been fine - the ringing wasn't so bad but have been playing with this band recently and their practice room is very small and 3 weeks ago i walked out of there and my left ear was totally shot - and i was wearing ear plugs!

    So for 3 weeks now ive had LOUD non stop ringing in both ears and it's driving me crazy!

    I know pretty much every musician has ringing in the ears to some degree but who here has a real problem with it?
    Johnny:

    You're at a point where over-the-counter type earplugs won't adequately protect your hearing. The orange foam thingies are terrible (most of those foam type earplugs are). They generally don't cut out frequencies below about 500K, so while you're dampening the highs and high-mids, you're still pummeling your eardrums with massive low frequencies. There are some regular brand earplugs made that claim to cut out the full spectrum of frequencies of the human ear. It might be good to look for some of those. But the BEST thing you can do is visit a hearing specialist and get fitted for a custom pair of earplugs (they literally make a cast from your ears and mold them to fit). I believe they're actually called "Musician's Earplugs." They come with a little filter that can be changed to let in more or less overall volume. So, unlike those cheapie foam things, it's like simply turning the volume down--not just cutting out the higher frequencies. Then get in the habit of wearing them for anything loud--not just music (running a lawn mower, etc.). Those earplugs will cost in the area of $250, but you'll start to notice after a while that you don't have that eardrum pain anymore. Basically, you've got to get the volume abuse on your ears turned down ASAP. Then do some internet research on rehabilitating your hearing (which will likely involve some small exercises, cleaning, hydration, diet).

    I am REALLY lucky I haven't done more damage to my hearing than I have. I've always been a loud music guy--like loud amps, loud rehearsals, loud monitoring in the recording studio, loud stereo, car stereo turned all the way up, etc. Even today I don't wear earplugs for shows. I've learned to temper it a little and wear hearing protection for rehearsals, and in general I don't let the loud stuff happen for more than 10-15 minutes at a time. (It's the constant loudness that gets you.) I don't have the dullness or high pitched white noise much anymore, and the "ache" is generally minimal. Like I said, I'm lucky. I damaged my hearing, but I started exercising better habits early enough that I still measure within a normal range.

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    I've suffered plenty of abuse, so these days, I tend to take every precaution.

    The thing about Thailand is, nobody knows how to set up a decent sounding
    PA, much less run decent sound. Seems like every club and every bar is trying
    to outdo the other in terms of ear-shredding treble max-outs. I simply won't
    go in a bar that doesn't have good sound, and when I do, I limit my exposure
    somewhat like AT was mentioning. If I have to stay in longer, I'll shove toilet
    paper in my ears. Not ideal, but definitely minimizes the post-exposure
    deafness I experience if I don't. Gig-wise, most of mine recently have been
    pretty low key, and the stage volume isn't oppressive. Just have to stay away
    from the cymbals and any screaming monitors.

    So, tinnitus, no. But if anyone has any info on sinusitis remedies, I'm all ears.
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    Protect those ears JB! I have constant ringing in both ears, and when my ears get fatigued form playing or especially recording with cans on, my left ear goes all wonky. I start getting a low distorted growl, and then the pitches I hear in that ear are lower than my right and it lasts for days. The ringing is always there but if I'm around any loud noise for a bit during the day I can have a hard time sleeping at night unless I put a radio on low to break up the steady ringing. I was told I have tinnitus in both ears, and thickening of the eardrum and a small perforation in the left. That's where my amp is usually in the clubs I play. I got some pretty decent earplugs from a clinic I went to. I just don't like them much because of that plugged up feeling they give you. I've thought of wearing those isolator muffles like Paul Gilbert wears, but they look a bit goofy. Our drummer wears them and plugs though. As bad as my ears are, his are a lot worse. If I talk to him in the car, or on the street, I've got to repeat myself four or five times, and sometimes I'm still not sure if he got what I said. lol.

    as far as help goes, check out some sound/hearing clinics. You'd be amazed at the stuff they have nowadays. I'd say the most important thing, and I wish I had known about it earlier was getting the real sizzling highs under contol with PA. This is what did most of the damage in my hearing. Also a heavy duty trigger: Crash cymbals. They are also a huge offender, so try to get out of their sound path. Kind of hard in some settings but you'd be amazed how much doing that one thing has helped stave off being unable to hear without severe distortion for days on end.
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    Protect those ears JB! I have constant ringing in both ears, and when my ears get fatigued form playing or especially recording with cans on, my left ear goes all wonky. I start getting a low distorted growl, and then the pitches I hear in that ear are lower than my right and it lasts for days. The ringing is always there but if I'm around any loud noise for a bit during the day I can have a hard time sleeping at night unless I put a radio on low to break up the steady ringing. I was told I have tinnitus in both ears, and thickening of the eardrum and a small perforation in the left. That's where my amp is usually in the clubs I play. I got some pretty decent earplugs from a clinic I went to. I just don't like them much because of that plugged up feeling they give you. I've thought of wearing those isolator muffles like Paul Gilbert wears, but they look a bit goofy. Our drummer wears them and plugs though. As bad as my ears are, his are a lot worse. If I talk to him in the car, or on the street, I've got to repeat myself four or five times, and sometimes I'm still not sure if he got what I said. lol.

    as far as help goes, check out some sound/hearing clinics. You'd be amazed at the stuff they have nowadays. I'd say the most important thing, and I wish I had known about it earlier was getting the real sizzling highs under contol with PA. This is what did most of the damage in my hearing. Also a heavy duty trigger: Crash cymbals. They are also a huge offender, so try to get out of their sound path. Kind of hard in some settings but you'd be amazed how much doing that one thing has helped stave off being unable to hear without severe distortion for days on end.
    I can hear fine - it's just the constant ringing that's driving me nuts!
    I know i did most of the damage when i was younger playing tiny studios with drums and a 5150 half stack without protection.

    I was at a party last summer and a friend of Paul's was there and he said Paul's hearing is very bad - think he said that he is almost deaf.

    I may look into those muffs he wears.

    Part of my problem is i wear headphones all the time - don't have monitors here at home.

    Taking a break from them till this gets better.
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