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    David Williams pushes repeal of 17th Amendment

    Kentucky Senate President David Williams declared himself "a Tea Partyer" on Wednesday and called for repeal of a constitutional amendment that took the power to appoint U.S. senators away from state legislatures and gave it to voters...

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    Um okay.....he's a tea bagger, who seem to want the government to be smaller BUT he wants the power to elect taken away from people? Did I read all that correctly? And how does referencing JFK help make his point?
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    I actually agree with it. There is a reason there is a House of Representatives (the People's House) and the US Senate.

    I think the States should appoint their Senators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLFHS View Post
    Um okay.....he's a tea bagger, who seem to want the government to be smaller BUT he wants the power to elect taken away from people? Did I read all that correctly? And how does referencing JFK help make his point?
    What this really is is a libertarian position. The framers wanted 3 groups at the table: the nation as a whole, the states, and the people. The Executive branch represents the nation (and appoints judges), the House represents the people, and the Senate was to represent the States because the states sent Senators--except now it just represents the people as well. This was considered an essential part of the separation of powers by giving the states a voice at the federal level. Instead, the idea of federalism was dealt a massive blow.

    The original idea was that the overreach of the federal government would be kept in check if State legislature appointed them. This way, the interests of the state government would have a seat at the table, preventing an overreach of the feds.

    We talk about bicameralism, but it really doesn't exist if the House and the Senate are both elected by the people. We keep slipping into this idea that we are a direct democracy, but we're actually a constitutional republic. As James Madison said, “A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.”

    Federalism would have been respected because Senators would be beholden to the interests of the state, fighting off the unnecessary and unconstitutional overreaching of the federal government. A majority of the people and a majority of the states would have to agree on legislation. Instead, Congress acts now as one entity that protects only federal interests.

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    ^ I don't think your equation of federalism and libertarianism has much historical validity. In any event, state legislatures already control elections to the House of Representatives by engineering safe districts to ensure that, at a minimum, the extremes will be well represented and my vote means even less than it ordinarily would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rare Painful Side Effect View Post
    ^ I don't think your equation of federalism and libertarianism has much historical validity. In any event, state legislatures already control elections to the House of Representatives by engineering safe districts to ensure that, at a minimum, the extremes will be well represented and my vote means even less than it ordinarily would.
    I just meant that most libertarians have held this opinion for a while. Either way, libertarians are proponents of federalism, so I am not sure where the disconnect lies, unless I am misunderstanding you.

    Repeal of this amendment would not be a cure-all, and gerrymandering is a problem. But if the states had a seat at the table via the Senate, would that body stand for a federal unfunded mandate?

 

 

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