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    Don't know how it is in your neck of the woods, but as we wind down to election day here in Florida, it's another round of "Don't vote for this person because..." This person did this while CEO of a corporation - that person did that, etc. It's sickening. They wonder why no one votes - well, it's because you (the politicians and their supporters) told us not to!

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    Why Liberals Don't Get the Tea Party Movement

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    By PETER BERKOWITZ

    Highly educated people say the darndest things, these days particularly about the tea party movement. Vast numbers of other highly educated people read and hear these dubious pronouncements, smile knowingly, and nod their heads in agreement. University educations and advanced degrees notwithstanding, they lack a basic understanding of the contours of American constitutional government.

    New York Times columnist Paul Krugman got the ball rolling in April 2009, just ahead of the first major tea party rallies on April 15, by falsely asserting that "the tea parties don't represent a spontaneous outpouring of public sentiment. They're AstroTurf (fake grass-roots) events."

    Having learned next to nothing in the intervening 16 months about one of the most spectacular grass-roots political movements in American history, fellow Times columnist Frank Rich denied in August of this year that the tea party movement is "spontaneous and leaderless," insisting instead that it is the instrument of billionaire brothers David and Charles Koch.

    Washington Post columnist E. J. Dionne criticized the tea party as unrepresentative in two ways. It "constitutes a sliver of opinion on the extreme end of politics receiving attention out of all proportion with its numbers," he asserted last month. This was a step back from his rash prediction five months before that since it "represents a relatively small minority of Americans on the right end of politics," the tea party movement "will not determine the outcome of the 2010 elections."


    In February, Mr. Dionne argued that the tea party was also unrepresentative because it reflected a political principle that lost out at America's founding and deserves to be permanently retired: "Anti-statism, a profound mistrust of power in Washington goes all the way back to the Anti-Federalists who opposed the Constitution itself because they saw it concentrating too much authority in the central government."

    Mr. Dionne follows in the footsteps of progressive historian Richard Hofstadter, whose influential 1964 book "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" argued that Barry Goldwater and his supporters displayed a "style of mind" characterized by "heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy." Similarly, the "suspicion of government" that the tea party movement shares with the Anti-Federalists, Mr. Dionne maintained, "is not amenable to 'facts'" because "opposing government is a matter of principle."

    To be sure, the tea party sports its share of clowns, kooks and creeps. And some of its favored candidates and loudest voices have made embarrassing statements and embraced reckless policies. This, however, does not distinguish the tea party movement from the competition.

    Born in response to President Obama's self-declared desire to fundamentally change America, the tea party movement has made its central goals abundantly clear. Activists and the sizeable swath of voters who sympathize with them want to reduce the massively ballooning national debt, cut runaway federal spending, keep taxes in check, reinvigorate the economy, and block the expansion of the state into citizens' lives.

    In other words, the tea party movement is inspired above all by a commitment to limited government. And that does distinguish it from the competition.

    But far from reflecting a recurring pathology in our politics or the losing side in the debate over the Constitution, the devotion to limited government lies at the heart of the American experiment in liberal democracy. The Federalists who won ratification of the Constitution—most notably Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and John Jay—shared with their Anti-Federalist opponents the view that centralized power presented a formidable and abiding threat to the individual liberty that it was government's primary task to secure. They differed over how to deal with the threat.

    The Anti-Federalists—including Patrick Henry, Samuel Bryan and Robert Yates—adopted the traditional view that liberty depended on state power exercised in close proximity to the people. The Federalists replied in Federalist 9 that the "science of politics," which had "received great improvement," showed that in an extended and properly structured republic liberty could be achieved and with greater security and stability.

    This improved science of politics was based not on abstract theory or complex calculations but on what is referred to in Federalist 51 as "inventions of prudence" grounded in the reading of classic and modern authors, broad experience of self-government in the colonies, and acute observations about the imperfections and finer points of human nature. It taught that constitutionally enumerated powers; a separation, balance, and blending of these powers among branches of the federal government; and a distribution of powers between the federal and state governments would operate to leave substantial authority to the states while both preventing abuses by the federal government and providing it with the energy needed to defend liberty.

    Whether members have read much or little of The Federalist, the tea party movement's focus on keeping government within bounds and answerable to the people reflects the devotion to limited government embodied in the Constitution. One reason this is poorly understood among our best educated citizens is that American politics is poorly taught at the universities that credentialed them. Indeed, even as the tea party calls for the return to constitutional basics, our universities neglect The Federalist and its classic exposition of constitutional principles.

    For the better part of two generations, the best political science departments have concentrated on equipping students with skills for performing empirical research and teaching mathematical models that purport to describe political affairs. Meanwhile, leading history departments have emphasized social history and issues of race, class and gender at the expense of constitutional history, diplomatic history and military history.

    Neither professors of political science nor of history have made a priority of instructing students in the founding principles of American constitutional government. Nor have they taught about the contest between the progressive vision and the conservative vision that has characterized American politics since Woodrow Wilson (then a political scientist at Princeton) helped launch the progressive movement in the late 19th century by arguing that the Constitution had become obsolete and hindered democratic reform.

    Then there are the proliferating classes in practical ethics and moral reasoning. These expose students to hypothetical conundrums involving individuals in surreal circumstances suddenly facing life and death decisions, or present contentious public policy questions and explore the range of respectable progressive opinions for resolving them. Such exercises may sharpen students' ability to argue. They do little to teach about self-government.

    They certainly do not teach about the virtues, or qualities of mind and character, that enable citizens to shoulder their political responsibilities and prosper amidst the opportunities and uncertainties that freedom brings. Nor do they teach the beliefs, practices and associations that foster such virtues and those that endanger them.

    Those who doubt that the failings of higher education in America have political consequences need only reflect on the quality of progressive commentary on the tea party movement. Our universities have produced two generations of highly educated people who seem unable to recognize the spirited defense of fundamental American principles, even when it takes place for more than a year and a half right in front of their noses.
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    As a resident of CT, it is amazing in how much money Linda McMahon has spent this political season. I've gotten more mail from her campaign than LL Bean, Land's End and Victoria Secrets combined! Whether she wins or loses, it certainly wasn't from a lack of trying (or funds).
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    Unfortunately Kucinich is my representative and no matter his opponent or how much money they spend, he will win.

    The only thing he has done the last two years was receive a blow job from Obama on AF1 for his heath care vote.

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    Let the underhanded shit slinging begin.

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    Here's to hoping Owe'Malley faceplants in his own pile of shit that he is shoveling right now and gets kicked to the curb at the Governor's Mansion in Maryland!!!
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    already voted....it's Ohio...vote early, vote often!.....and sadly, there's so much shit shoveling going around that I went to the polls with no real sense of certainty that I was voting for the best candidate

    that's all that the shit slinging accusations really accomplishes....it's like a lawyer getting a client off on "reasonable doubt".....there's no real determination of guilt or innocence....just a " the jury finds the candidate not guilty, your honor"


    I just wish that voting would give you an opt out from the mailings and the phone calls.......that would be one way to get people lined up at the polls

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    California Voters, please vote:

    No . . . . Prop. 21
    Yes . . . Prop 23
    No . . . . Prop 25

    Trust me.

    Prop 19 is the Marijuana prop. I'm voting no but I realize I'm in the minority. Knock yourselves out on that one.

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    Yep. Early voted here and cannot wait until I don't have to witness another campaign commercial. Makes TV almost unwatchable. It's LITERALLY every five minutes...
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    I know opinion of this will most likely go down party lines but I have always felt this way regardless of Obama, Bush or Clinton. I hate the fact that sitting presidents take about three weeks off so they can go out and campaign for various members of their party. I mean are they not the President of the United States? They are there to serve us, the people whether we are Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Socialist, Independent, etc...

    Lately it seems that Obama right now is Campaigner In Chief while we have 10% unemployment, a monumental change in our military's homosexual policy, Afghanistan, various new cabinet members, Iran going nuclear, North Korea about ready to do new nuclear tests and other day to day problems in the world.

    I understand he like Bush are thinking party first but there should be some sort of law that prevents the president being a cheerleader while there is a job to do. If they are for reelection then of course they can go out and campaign but that only happens once in their presidential tenure.

    Just sick that Obama can dedicate four days solely for fundraising purposes while our country is in pretty bad shape.

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    Election season in my neck of the woods usually means all the roads and stuff somehow happen to get repaired...as if we don't notice it happens before every freaking election.

    I'd vote for Hitler before I vote for Boxer, but it looks like I am stuck with her.

    California needs prop 19 to pass so we can finally have a conversation about the insanity of the drug war. It's passage will prompt many other states to have a similar initiative, and to quote Obama, "more of the same" is not going to work. It looks like the initiative is losing steam though, and in an election leaning Republican, I have a feeling it will not pass, sadly.

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    A couple of our fearless leaders.



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    I am so sick of the freakin bashing of each other in commercials. No one talks about what they will do. They just talk about what everyone else is doing wrong.

    F'n politicians.
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    Filled out my ballot today....Jesus that was depressing. Not a lot of talent out there this year.
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