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    Remember, in Massachusetts, Illegal aliens are eligible for all social benefits the day they arrive from the home country.

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    Bay State welfare recipients can play the slots, pick up a six-pack of beer or nab a flat-screen plasma TV under loosey-goosey Bay State restrictions that allow those on the dole to treat taxpayers’ wallets as their own personal ATM.

    Recipients of the Department of Transitional Assistance programs get Electronic Benefits Transfer cards that work like regular debit cards, allowing them to withdraw cash from ATMs and use it for whatever they want - all with scant oversight by the state.

    State officials were unable to say how many liquor stores and bars accept the EBT cards. Nor could they say for certain that welfare cash isn’t being used on Lottery tickets or even casinos.

    The Herald review comes on the heels of a jaw-dropping expose by the Los Angeles Times that found California welfare recipients spent $1.8 million in taxpayer cash on casinos. Michigan legislators are also mulling a crackdown on welfare debit card use in casinos.

    One Boston area bar owner told the Herald he was contacted this week by a company saying he could boost business by accepting EBT cards.

    “I’m offended. The idea is welfare benefits are supposed to go to people who can’t work and are just barely getting by,” said the bar owner, who requested anonymity. “As a taxpayer I’m surprised the state wants to make it this easy to allow welfare recipients to misuse our money like this.”

    State officials admitted there’s little oversight of the $392 million in cash assistance welfare benefits granted to 70,000 Bay State households - even though Gov. Deval Patrick created a task force to crack down on welfare fraud in 2008.

    “This administration supports changing the rules to prohibit individuals and vendors from knowingly accepting EBT cash benefits for the purchase of alcohol or tobacco,” said Jennifer Kritz, a spokeswoman for the state welfare department.

    Kritz admitted that because welfare recipients can simply withdraw cash, there’s nothing to prevent them from buying booze, butts or scratch tickets - or playing the slots at casinos.

    “We encourage them to make healthy choices,” said Kritz, adding that families on transitional assistance need the flexibility of cash to purchase necessary nonfood items such as diapers, cookware and school supplies.

    Businesses also can get in on the act. Owners can call their credit card processing company and ask to accept the EBT cards, Kritz said.

    Affiliated Computer Services Inc. - a Texas-based company the state hired to manage the EBT card program in 2005 - keeps track of the transactions and vendors authorized to accept the cards, but Kritz couldn’t say whether the firm keeps an eye out for abuse.

    Pete Sepp, spokesman for the National Taxpayers Union, said the lax oversight breeds public mistrust.

    “These are tax dollars being gifted essentially to beneficiaries, and people need to be sure that they are spent properly,” Sepp said. “Some of these expenditures might not be just inadvisable - they might be downright fraudulent.”

    State officials have handed out the EBT cards since 1997 and currently award them for three programs - Transitional Aid to Families with Dependent Children; Emergency Aid to the Elderly, Disabled and Children; and an electronic version of food stamps. The food stamps program limits users’ purchases, but the other two provide cash.

    Patrick’s fraud task force monitors irregular spending and takes public tips on welfare abuse, Kritz said. Any welfare recipient caught abusing the system can be cut off and can be forced to even pay back the state.
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    I live in this fucking state and I'm sick of shit like this. My hard earned money is being taxed and given to the freeloaders of society who suck the life out of everything. When the fuck and I going to get help? Who is going to help me? Shit, if I could get a job working under the table, I'd never file taxes again. I'd be taking care of myself and my family, and I'd have COMPLETE control of where the fuck my money went. This country is GREAT at making laws but there's never anyone to police them. It makes me sick!

    I have an aqauintance who's wife DECIDED to be an "at home mom". Guess what? They now make less than $40,000 for a family of four and now they "qualify" for everything! They get public housing, state health insurance, free lunch for the kids in school, food stamps (ATM debit cards now), etc...etc...etc... In the meantime, their kids have the best clothes and they drive around in Lincolns! WTF! This is no lie! Each one of them drive up to their apartment complex every day in a fucking Lincoln.

    I can understand the helping of people if they've suffered a tragic loss, like a woman who lost her husband in an accident and now has to raise 3 kids on her own. However, should MY tax money be spend on a family who's wife "decides" to be an "at home mom"?
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    Take it easy Cobra. Man, I can certainly understand your frustration and feel it myself sometimes, but dude, take comfort in the fact that you have something that can not contain a price tag. It's something that they (most of them at least) can not have, and that's something called HONOR!!!! Dignity!!! Pride!!! Keep fighting the good fight my man. In the end, it doesn't matter what they haven't done, it matters what you personally have. Hang tight brother!! It means something. If not to them (and who gives a shit really?), then to the ones who look at you (to whom' you most certainly give a shit).

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    Thanks for the pep talk. I was a bit harsh on my last post. However, I see stuff like this everyday and it really bothers me. My wife and I work hard and we seem to get penalized because of it. For 16 years, I worked 60 hours per week to "get by" and keep ourselves out of debt. While it's worked and we only have just a mortgage to pay for, we've sacrificed numerous times over the years so that we've never had problems with credit cards and other issues. We've never gotten to go on cruises or trips to Disney every year and we don't own laptop computers or big screen T.V.'s. We keep our cars for an average of 10 or 11 years before getting rid of them, etc...etc...etc.. In the meantime, I see people who are doing all of this stuff while they're on the dole. It makes me sick.

    Take for instance another guy I know. Him and his wife make more money than my wife and myself (I wouldn't know this but they brag about it). You would think that they don't have any financial issues, correct? WRONG! They've refinanced their house so many times and have taken out so much money on it, they now owe $300,000+ on a house that they bought 17 years ago for $84,000. Each time they refinanced, they bought something new. A new car, a camping trailer, a time share at a condo in Florida, home improvements, etc...etc...etc.... They're now on the verge of filing for bankruptcy and they're crying that they're the "vicims" in this whole mess. Really? Were they victims while the good times were going on?

    He's also got a job that pays him more money than I make but guess what? He makes that amount of money in 8 months and gets laid off for 4 months. This allows him to get state health insurance during those 4 months. It also allows him to sign up for a yearly family membership to the "Y" for $100.00 instead of the $700.00 that I pay! What he does, is he waits to get laid off and then goes in to sign up. They usually ask to see your tax returns but he walks in with his unemployment papers and they accept those. WTF! They also get "fuel assistance", where the state will pay a portion of their home heating oil bill for the winter. It involves one free fillup of their oil tank! Oh, I forgot to mention that he works under the table when he's collecting too. Go figure.

    In the meantime, I get no help at all. I don't really want the help but I can't stop thinking about the disadvantages of actually working for a living. If I could actually save money from my check everyweek and see it accumulate in a bank account, I'd feel better about my situation. However, that doesn't happen and I feel as though I'm being penalized so that I can help to support these types of people.
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    Seen great post. Hissing Cobra this Buds for you man! People who abuse welfare etc should go to jail. Like a famous president once said,"The best social program is a job."
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    welfare is a nice idea that has been abused so much that it's not fullfilling it's purpose anymore. I've always been a believer in a guranteed income supplement and throwing away every other welfare program on the books currently. Simply put, if you want a job - the gov't has one for you doing something. The hours are full time, the pay is minimum wage and you'll get benefits so your family won't have trouble seeing a doctor, etc.. This would sepeate those who really want to work but can't and those who want to be freeloaders. I imagine that we'd see a whole bunch of people find jobs overnight if this happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    welfare is a nice idea that has been abused so much that it's not fullfilling it's purpose anymore. I've always been a believer in a guranteed income supplement and throwing away every other welfare program on the books currently. Simply put, if you want a job - the gov't has one for you doing something. The hours are full time, the pay is minimum wage and you'll get benefits so your family won't have trouble seeing a doctor, etc.. This would sepeate those who really want to work but can't and those who want to be freeloaders. I imagine that we'd see a whole bunch of people find jobs overnight if this happened.
    Your liberal/progressive vomit STILL SOUNDS LIKE COMMUNISM. I suppose standing in line for toilet paper is the price you pay for the right to wipe your own ass??

    And please DO EXPLAIN the purpose of welfare. If you say, "Buying votes" then you'd be 100% CORRECT!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfiddl View Post
    Your liberal/progressive vomit STILL SOUNDS LIKE COMMUNISM. I suppose standing in line for toilet paper is the price you pay for the right to wipe your own ass??

    And please DO EXPLAIN the purpose of welfare. If you say, "Buying votes" then you'd be 100% CORRECT!!


    funny that you'd think that it sounds like communism when the last guy who mentioned a workfare over welfare option in my province was laughed at for his far too right win idea. I guess it depends on your perspective. If you're happy cutting cheques to people for doing nothing, that's fine I guess. Or you could cut all welfare payments and start riots all over the country. What I propose is hardly communism, it's merely a way to cut welfare costs dramatically while still helping those that need help.

    The purpose of welfare? assuming you're not kidding with the question - it's to ensure the basic well-being of all citizens. This is a noble concept that goes back a couple of thousand years or so. A cynic would say it's also a cheap way for the wealthy to ensure the poor to remain peaceful. Buying Votes? Hardly, since every political party in the western world is in favour of maintaining the program.

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    the basic premise of welfare was to aid low income families and the elderly

    yet estimates of the "food insecure" in this country vary from 38 to 50 million depending on how you define it

    to think of elderly or disabled people skipping meals, or of children going to school hungry is terrible to think of ....but the abled bodied adults caring for these people get a free ride

    they also get trapped in the poverty cycle and take yet another generation along for the ride.

    if you see how the vast majority of the impoverished live on welfare, no one would think of it as a good way to live, but in many cases it's all these families know

    but the real problem is that our system is an all or nothing kind of proposition.....I've seen families who need some assistance with a catastrophic medical problem fail to get any help, and older people who just need some support with staying in their own homes end up in nursing homes, where their care costs us a minimum of 3 grand a month!

    our welfare system needs a huge overhaul, but should anyone try it, there is going to be so much resistance, buses full of canvassers out signing up the poor to vote and UNIONS taking a stand against these nice simple givernment jobs going to minimum wage welfare workers


    I'd rather see programs like the WPA where cities got libraries and bridges and parks built....but those are all union construction jobs now and in many states the unions make sure the bidding process includes their represented workers

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    Hoo boy.. more tripe against those poor welfare queens living off the gobment teet. Don't you just hate those fuckers who use food stamps for filet's? You see, we can see these people standing in line at the food market or walking down the street on cell phones, or watch them buy those rent to own big screen teevees. What we don't see (or care to see) is the rampant corporate welfare fraud going on en masse. Never do we see a thread started on that. While Congress continues to reduce welfare for that dirty Mexican, state and federal governments increasingly give a corporation (or an entire industry) a benefit not offered to others.

    *Corporate welfare programs far outweigh spending for low-income programs. 3:1
    *Total federal spending on a safety net for the poor costs the average taxpayer about $400 a year, while spending on corporate welfare
    programs costs the same taxpayer about $1400 a year. (source: CBO figures)
    *Welfare benefits for individuals and families are subject to strict eligibility requirements (drug test them fuckers!), and those poor fuckers must demonstrate a need for benefits while corporations get corporate welfare benefits regardless of wealth or accountability.
    *Corporations have historically received public land giveaways and property tax credits.
    * I could go on and on...

    Oh but you say.. "corporations are people who create wealth and jobs! They deserve the welfare!" Until corporations are no longer subject to limited liability, can go to fucking jail, and can die, I don't want to hear it.

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    Hoo boy.. more tripe against those poor welfare queens living off the gobment teet. Don't you just hate those fuckers who use food stamps for filet's? You see, we can see these people standing in line at the food market or walking down the street on cell phones, or watch them buy those rent to own big screen teevees. What we don't see (or care to see) is the rampant corporate welfare fraud going on en masse. Never do we see a thread started on that. While Congress continues to reduce welfare for that dirty Mexican, state and federal governments increasingly give a corporation (or an entire industry) a benefit not offered to others.

    *Corporate welfare programs far outweigh spending for low-income programs. 3:1
    *Total federal spending on a safety net for the poor costs the average taxpayer about $400 a year, while spending on corporate welfare
    programs costs the same taxpayer about $1400 a year. (source: CBO figures)
    *Welfare benefits for individuals and families are subject to strict eligibility requirements (drug test them fuckers!), and those poor fuckers must demonstrate a need for benefits while corporations get corporate welfare benefits regardless of wealth or accountability.
    *Corporations have historically received public land giveaways and property tax credits.
    * I could go on and on...

    Oh but you say.. "corporations are people who create wealth and jobs! They deserve the welfare!" Until corporations are no longer subject to limited liability, can go to fucking jail, and can die, I don't want to hear it.
    The Sarbanes–Oxley Act kind of changed the "they can't go to jail thing".

    I would like to know the definition of "corporate welfare" in your numbers. If a state gives up land in order to attract a corporation that will create hundreds of jobs in the state, is that considered corporate welfare? Cause if it is, then that's just f-ing stupid.

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    Creating jobs is the sham behind justifying corporate welfare. Maybe in 1882 with the Mineral or Mining Acts there seemed an abundant of jobs (for kids too!). But too bad most jobs are outsourced now. Too bad wages have been falling. Too bad CEO pay in relation to laborers has jumped from 50 times as much to over 500 times as much. Too bad investments in business keeps dropping. Supply-side economics is a joke.
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    I think what frustrates me is when you read articles about people not having enough food to get them through the month so they are lining up at the grocery at midnight to check out because their food stamp debit card is replenished at that time. The article then goes on to quote the people waiting in line saying that they have 6 or 7 kids to feed and they need food. Who has 6 or 7 kids???? Certainly not most working families because they can't afford them. Plan Parenthood and most clinics will hand out birth control. How is it that these people do not act responsibly and then it's on everyone else to pay for it. And it's not the children's fault so I'm not advocating for them to be cut off, it's just as I said frustrating that society has to pay for other people's choices in life.
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