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    No pay, no spray: Firefighters let home burn
    Tennessee house in ashes after homeowner 'forgot' to pay $75 fee

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    Firefighters in rural Tennessee let a home burn to the ground last week because the homeowner hadn't paid a $75 fee.

    Gene Cranick of Obion County and his family lost all of their possessions in the Sept. 29 fire, along with three dogs and a cat.

    "They could have been saved if they had put water on it, but they didn't do it," Cranick told MSNBC's Keith Olbermann.

    The fire started when the Cranicks' grandson was burning trash near the family home. As it grew out of control, the Cranicks called 911, but the fire department from the nearby city of South Fulton would not respond.

    "We wasn't on their list," he said the operators told him.

    Cranick, who lives outside the city limits, admits he "forgot" to pay the annual $75 fee. The county does not have a county-wide firefighting service, but South Fulton offers fire coverage to rural residents for a fee.

    Cranick says he told the operator he would pay whatever is necessary to have the fire put out.

    His offer wasn't accepted, he said.

    The fire fee policy dates back 20 or so years.

    "Anybody that's not inside the city limits of South Fulton, it's a service we offer. Either they accept it or they don't," said South Fulton Mayor David Crocker.

    Firefighters did eventually show up, but only to fight the fire on the neighboring property, whose owner had paid the fee.

    "They put water out on the fence line out here. They never said nothing to me. Never acknowledged. They stood out here and watched it burn," Cranick said.

    South Fulton's mayor said that the fire department can't let homeowners pay the fee on the spot, because the only people who would pay would be those whose homes are on fire.

    Cranick, who is now living in a trailer on his property, says his insurance policy will help cover some of his lost home.

    "Insurance is going to pay for what money I had on the policy, looks like. But like everything else, I didn't have enough."

    After the blaze, South Fulton police arrested one of Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge, according to WPSD-TV, an NBC station in Paducah, Ky.

    Police told WPSD that the younger Cranick attacked Fire Chief David Wilds at the firehouse because he was upset his father's house was allowed to burn.
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    i heard about this on the radio this morning. What a joke. How hard is this? You put out the damn fire, you bill the owner for the service (not the 75 bucks but the full cost). You don't allow a house to burn down to make a point.

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    fire departments originally started as paid services. as the need grew, government took over many departments... and property taxes and tax levies pay for it... but there are still many rural areas that do not have cooperative agreements

    that 75 bucks a year was like an insurance policy.....you don't pay your insurance policy, you don't get coverage.....I'll bet this guy hasn't paid in a decade...if he doesn't pay the 75 bucks, how can you get him to pay thousands in costs?


    75 bucks...what a deal....it probably is just the equivalent of what a homeowner in the district who pays the taxes has to pay...but it sounds like a good deal compared to what I paid a year after the last fire levy passed here

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    I didn't think they still practiced this anymore. I do know that back in the late 1800's early 1900's if you didn't purchase fire insurance and your house caught fire the fire dept. wouldn't show up. This is just ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    fire departments originally started as paid services. as the need grew, government took over many departments... and property taxes and tax levies pay for it... but there are still many rural areas that do not have cooperative agreements

    that 75 bucks a year was like an insurance policy.....you don't pay your insurance policy, you don't get coverage.....I'll bet this guy hasn't paid in a decade...if he doesn't pay the 75 bucks, how can you get him to pay thousands in costs?

    75 bucks...what a deal....it probably is just the equivalent of what a homeowner in the district who pays the taxes has to pay...but it sounds like a good deal compared to what I paid a year after the last fire levy passed here

    you put a lien on the house.

    even if he didn't pay in a decade, are you telling me that he wouldn't have agreed to pay back for all of those years at that moment? He would have signed anything.

    why not just add the fire service to one's property tax. Also, what kind of insurance company would insure a house that chose to not have fire service?

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    Seems kind of cold, and one would think they would put the fire out just out of humanitarian sake and work out the details later.

    Still, this part caught my attention:

    "The fire started when the Cranicks' grandson was burning trash near the family home. As it grew out of control, the Cranicks called 911, but the fire department from the nearby city of South Fulton would not respond."

    seems to me, if you are going to have fires on your property, you might want to be sure your fire fees are paid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    you put a lien on the house.

    even if he didn't pay in a decade, are you telling me that he wouldn't have agreed to pay back for all of those years at that moment? He would have signed anything.

    why not just add the fire service to one's property tax. Also, what kind of insurance company would insure a house that chose to not have fire service?
    I am totally with you on that, put out the fire and then do a lien. What if someones life was at stake? I am usually unsympathetic to people that lack personal responsibility and all but this is even too much for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ View Post
    The fire started when the Cranicks' grandson was burning trash near the family home.
    Is this how trash is usually disposed of in the holler? Is trash burned daily, weekly, monthly, yearly. I'm sure there is a safer way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy King View Post
    I'm sure there is a safer way.
    Yes.

    A burn barrel.

    Take a used 55 gallon steel drum and put it on bricks.
    Put trash in it and burn once a week (on average) until the barrell is unusable.
    Then take it to an appropriate disposal site.
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    Alot of you folks must live in urban areas or areas where the fire department has paid employees

    around here they're volunteers and constantly doing fundraisers like chicken BBQ's, family photos, and "feather parties" to raise funds for basic safety equipment and training and to make up for budget shortfalls from the TAXES we pay for the service

    enough of these fires where people get service without paying and everyone will stop paying and just waiting for the calamity

    it's no different than the renter not carrying renters insurance because they figure anything goes wrong and there's always the landlords insurance or the Red Cross and United Way to help them out


    and putting liins on homes takes resources (cash)
    collecting on liens on homes take resources (cash)
    having a sheriff sale in order to force payment takes resources

    and in the meantime, those trucks still need gas and servicing and the firehouse still needs to keep the electric on

    75 bucks a year is a DEAL, and these dumbasses burned their own house down

    it's not like they didn't send an amberlamps because they weren't on the list

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    Alot of you folks must live in urban areas or areas where the fire department has paid employees

    around here they're volunteers and constantly doing fundraisers like chicken BBQ's, family photos, and "feather parties" to raise funds for basic safety equipment and training and to make up for budget shortfalls from the TAXES we pay for the service

    enough of these fires where people get service without paying and everyone will stop paying and just waiting for the calamity

    it's no different than the renter not carrying renters insurance because they figure anything goes wrong and there's always the landlords insurance or the Red Cross and United Way to help them out


    and putting liins on homes takes resources (cash)
    collecting on liens on homes take resources (cash)
    having a sheriff sale in order to force payment takes resources

    and in the meantime, those trucks still need gas and servicing and the firehouse still needs to keep the electric on

    75 bucks a year is a DEAL, and these dumbasses burned their own house down

    it's not like they didn't send an amberlamps because they weren't on the list
    the firetruck already drove to the house so gas ain't an issue. there's no reason to not put out the fire. fine the shit out of the people, fine - but you don't let the house burn down. if there are kids in the house would they have said "sorry your kids are dead but we didn't get our 75 bucks?". it's pathetic.

    what if the 75 bucks was paid and there was a clerical mistake? you don't risk that shit - you put out the damn fire.

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    Gotta love how MSNBC throws in The Tea Party to this story, just towing the democrat lines over there. From their website.

    Gene Cranick found himself experiencing the Tea Party’s proposed “government a la carte” when he didn’t pay the $75 surcharge to the South Fulton Fire Department. His house caught fire and the fireman did nothing to stop it. Cranick describes his ordeal to Countdown’s Keith Olbermann.
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    I know this is different for many reasons, but isn't this kinda like when the ER admits people who have no insurance or no intention of paying whatsoever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    the firetruck already drove to the house so gas ain't an issue. there's no reason to not put out the fire. fine the shit out of the people, fine - but you don't let the house burn down. if there are kids in the house would they have said "sorry your kids are dead but we didn't get our 75 bucks?". it's pathetic.

    what if the 75 bucks was paid and there was a clerical mistake? you don't risk that shit - you put out the damn fire.
    I'm with you. This shit is fuckin heartless.
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