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    This is so sad and sickening.

    PISCATAWAY, N.J. — The death of a Rutgers University freshman stirred outrage and remorse on campus from classmates who wished they could have stopped the teen from jumping off a bridge last week after a recording of him having a sexual encounter with a man was broadcast online.

    "Had he been in bed with a woman, this would not have happened," said Lauren Felton, 21, of Warren. "He wouldn't have been outed via an online broadcast and his privacy would have been respected and he might still have his life."

    Gay rights groups say Tyler Clementi's suicide makes him a national example of a problem they are increasingly working to combat: young people who kill themselves after being tormented over their sexuality.

    A lawyer for Clementi's family confirmed Wednesday that he had jumped off the George Washington Bridge last week. Police recovered a man's body Wednesday afternoon in the Hudson River just north of the bridge, and authorities were trying to determine if it was Clementi's.

    Clementi's roommate, Dhraun Ravi, and fellow Rutgers freshman Molly Wei, both 18, have been charged with invading Clementi's privacy. Middlesex County prosecutors say the pair used a webcam to surreptitiously transmit a live image of Clementi having sex on Sept. 19 and that Ravi tried to webcast a second encounter on Sept. 21, the day before Clementi's suicide.

    A lawyer for Ravi, of Plainsboro, did not immediately return a message seeking comment. It was unclear whether Wei, of Princeton, had retained a lawyer.

    Collecting or viewing sexual images without consent is a fourth-degree crime. Transmitting them is a third-degree crime with a maximum prison term of five years.

    ABC News and The Star-Ledger of Newark reported that Clementi left on his Facebook page on Sept. 22 a note that read: "Jumping off the gw bridge sorry." On Wednesday, his Facebook page was accessible only to friends.

    Even if the young violinist from Ridgewood was not well known at his new school, his death stirred outrage.

    "The notion that video of Tyler doing what he was doing can be considered a spectacle is just heinous," said Jordan Gochman, 19, of Jackson, who didn't know Clementi. "It's intolerant, it's upsetting, it makes it seem that being gay is something that is wrong and can be considered laughable."

    Other students who did know Clement were upset that they didn't do more to help him. "I wish I could have been more of an ally," said Georges Richa, a freshman from New Brunswick.

    About 100 people gathered Wednesday night for a vigil on campus. They lay on the ground and chanted slogans like, "We're here, we're queer, we're not going home."

    Several gay rights groups linked Clementi's death to the troubling phenomenon of young people committing suicide after being harassed over their sexuality.

    Steven Goldstein, chairman of Garden State Equality, said in a statement that his group considers Clementi's death a hate crime.

    "We are heartbroken over the tragic loss of a young man who, by all accounts, was brilliant, talented and kind," Goldstein said. "And we are sickened that anyone in our society, such as the students allegedly responsible for making the surreptitious video, might consider destroying others' lives as a sport."

    Last week, Dan Savage, a columnist at the Seattle weekly newspaper The Stranger, launched the latest of several efforts to try to stem the problem: the It Gets Better Project, a YouTube channel where gay, lesbian and bisexual adults share the turmoil they experienced when they were younger — and that their lives are better now.

    In response to Clementi's death and other incidents, the group Parents, Families & Friends of Lesbians and Gays said it would issue a "call to action" on the subject on Thursday.

    Rutgers University President Richard McCormick wrote in a letter to the campus, "If the charges are true, these actions gravely violate the university's standards of decency and humanity." Coincidentally, the university on Wednesday was launching a new two-year Project Civility, designed to get students thinking about how they treat others.

    Meanwhile, for some of Clementi's new classmates, the first time they learned much about him was when they got word of his death.

    "I guess the only person I haven't talked to is Tyler 'cause he's like really quiet and shy," said Justin Lee, a freshman from Princeton who lives on Clementi's hall.

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    away from home, probably for the first time, feeling homesick and isolated is so hard for kids anyway......and to have your personal life displayed and mocked this way???

    What could those two monsters have thought was going to come of this?

    5 years is the max huh? They should find other charges to hit them with so that they spend a good long time locked up thinking about what they did

    this is just heartbreaking.

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    "The notion that video of Tyler doing what he was doing can be considered a spectacle is just heinous," said Jordan Gochman, 19, of Jackson, who didn't know Clementi. "It's intolerant, it's upsetting, it makes it seem that being gay is something that is wrong and can be considered laughable.

    Uhhhh. It is a spectacle. It is wrong. I live in a gay friendly city. Hard to do with young children. We have a very big bridge here. Too bad more queers don't jump off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedtruckermf View Post
    "The notion that video of Tyler doing what he was doing can be considered a spectacle is just heinous," said Jordan Gochman, 19, of Jackson, who didn't know Clementi. "It's intolerant, it's upsetting, it makes it seem that being gay is something that is wrong and can be considered laughable.

    Uhhhh. It is a spectacle. It is wrong. I live in a gay friendly city. Hard to do with young children. We have a very big bridge here. Too bad more queers don't jump off.

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    i do wonder if one of his kids was gay if he'd drive them to the nearest bridge. Just disgusting stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedtruckermf View Post

    Uhhhh. It is a spectacle. It is wrong. I live in a gay friendly city. Hard to do with young children. We have a very big bridge here. Too bad more queers don't jump off.
    Yeah, no kidding. So......when's your jump scheduled?
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedtruckermf View Post
    Uhhhh. It is a spectacle. It is wrong. I live in a gay friendly city. Hard to do with young children. We have a very big bridge here. Too bad more queers don't jump off.
    Really?

    You don't have to like gay people, but what have they ever done to you for you to wish their death?

    Can I insinuate by your post that you have children? If so, if one of them is gay are you going to give them a personal escort to the bridge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Really?

    You don't have to like gay people, but what have they ever done to you for you to wish their death?

    Can I insinuate by your post that you have children? If so, if one of them is gay are you going to give them a personal escort to the bridge?
    My kids would never be gay. They are raised knowing that is wrong. I don't wish them death, just saying a town with a few less flamboyant fags on the streets would be a better place. It's not cool to have to explain to a 5 year old why two guys are kissing. Deviant behavior used to be kept behind closed doors. Back to the topic. I feel for his parents. They must feel guilty for not doing something right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedtruckermf View Post
    My kids would never be gay. They are raised knowing that is wrong. I don't wish them death, just saying a town with a few less flamboyant fags on the streets would be a better place. It's not cool to have to explain to a 5 year old why two guys are kissing. Deviant behavior used to be kept behind closed doors. Back to the topic. I feel for his parents. They must feel guilty for not doing something right.
    And your kids would never smoke or drink or gamble or ....... because they know it's wrong. Right?

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    I used to debate one of the piano teachers, a Christian conservative, at work. It was amiable, but she essentially said that she would disown one of her sons if he were to end up gay. She would also have to think long and hard about what she had done wrong as a mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    I used to debate one of the piano teachers, a Christian conservative, at work. It was amiable, but she essentially said that she would disown one of her sons if he were to end up gay. She would also have to think long and hard about what she had done wrong as a mother.
    what a lovely mother.

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    This is going to be a good thread...

    I feel terrible for the student's family and friends. Losing someone to suicide has to be one of the toughest things to go through. And his roommates, there's a difference between a prank and really affecting a person's life and they surely crossed the line. I don't care if they thought being gay was right or wrong or whether it's by choice or not--the guy was a human being and should not have been treated fairly.

    This is not only an issue of sexual harassment but also online harassment. Stories like this have been documented before and it's a damn shame that is keeps happening. Obviously we can't ever completely stop it, but there has to be something we can do to mitigate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedtruckermf View Post
    My kids would never be gay. They are raised knowing that is wrong. I don't wish them death, just saying a town with a few less flamboyant fags on the streets would be a better place. It's not cool to have to explain to a 5 year old why two guys are kissing. Deviant behavior used to be kept behind closed doors. Back to the topic. I feel for his parents. They must feel guilty for not doing something right.
    You are 100% correct......they probably had the same ignorant attitude as you do....

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedtruckermf View Post
    I don't wish them death, just saying a town with a few less flamboyant fags on the streets would be a better place.
    So you don't wish them death yet you approve of the fact that one of them jumped off a bridge and wish more would follow suit.

    Gotcha.



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