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    Drink Up! Study Finds That Heavy Drinkers Outlive Non-Drinkers

    There's hope for some of us yet!

    Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

    By John Cloud
    Monday, Aug. 30, 2010

    One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink actually tend to die sooner than those who do. The standard Alcoholics Anonymous explanation for this finding is that many of those who show up as abstainers in such research are actually former hard-core drunks who had already incurred health problems associated with drinking.
    But a new paper in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research suggests that — for reasons that aren't entirely clear — abstaining from alcohol does actually tend to increase one's risk of dying even when you exclude former drinkers. The most shocking part? Abstainers' mortality rates are higher than those of heavy drinkers.

    Moderate drinking, which is defined as one to three drinks per day, is associated with the lowest mortality rates in alcohol studies. Moderate alcohol use (especially when the beverage of choice is red wine) is thought to improve heart health, circulation and sociability, which can be important because people who are isolated don't have as many family members and friends who can notice and help treat health problems.
    But why would abstaining from alcohol lead to a shorter life? It's true that those who abstain from alcohol tend to be from lower socioeconomic classes, since drinking can be expensive. And people of lower socioeconomic status have more life stressors — job and child-care worries that might not only keep them from the bottle but also cause stress-related illnesses over long periods. (They also don't get the stress-reducing benefits of a drink or two after work.)

    But even after controlling for nearly all imaginable variables — socioeconomic status, level of physical activity, number of close friends, quality of social support and so on — the researchers (a six-member team led by psychologist Charles Holahan of the University of Texas at Austin) found that over a 20-year period, mortality rates were highest for those who had never been drinkers, second-highest for heavy drinkers and lowest for moderate drinkers.

    The sample of those who were studied included individuals between ages 55 and 65 who had had any kind of outpatient care in the previous three years. The 1,824 participants were followed for 20 years. One drawback of the sample: a disproportionate number, 63%, were men. Just over 69% of the never-drinkers died during the 20 years, 60% of the heavy drinkers died and only 41% of moderate drinkers died.

    These are remarkable statistics. Even though heavy drinking is associated with higher risk for cirrhosis and several types of cancer (particularly cancers in the mouth and esophagus), heavy drinkers are less likely to die than people who have never drunk. One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

    The authors of the new paper are careful to note that even if drinking is associated with longer life, it can be dangerous: it can impair your memory severely and it can lead to nonlethal falls and other mishaps (like, say, cheating on your spouse in a drunken haze) that can screw up your life. There's also the dependency issue: if you become addicted to alcohol, you may spend a long time trying to get off the bottle.

    That said, the new study provides the strongest evidence yet that moderate drinking is not only fun but good for you. So make mine a double.
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    Now I'll just wait for the article that says that mary-jane smokers out-live non smokers

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    Heavy drinkers might be living longer, but that doesnt mean happier.
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    That article is the most preposterous piece of information I have seen in quite sometime.
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    Who sponsored the study, Jack Daniels and Budweiser?
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    That's great news for Edward VH!!!

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    been trying to explain this to people for years....beer is good.
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    One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions....
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    Default 20-year study: Heavy drinkers outlive non-drinkers

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    Drink up... that is if you want to live a few years longer.

    That's the highly unusual conclusion of a new study which suggests that non-drinkers die sooner than heavy drinkers. Moderate drinkers fair the best.

    The paper, which appears in Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research, took a look at 1,824 participants over 20 years, according to Time.com. Sixty-three percent of them were men.

    Scientists, led by psychologist Charles Holahan of the University of Texas at Austin, filtered out "socioeconomic status, level of physical activity, number of close friends, quality of social support," according to the site, and still found that nondrinkers just don't live as long as their drinking compatriots. Over the 20-year period, 69 percent of the nondrinkers died, 60 percent of the heavy drinkers died and only 41 percent of the moderate drinkers died.

    Moderate drinking, according to Time, was defined as one to three drinks per day.

    The findings are certainly confusing, since heavy drinking can lead to liver failure, mouth cancer and heart problems. And being a drunk can ruin friendships, career and family.

    Still, as odd as it may seem, the old saying, "drink to your health," may be wise after all.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_1...-10391704.html

    Part of the library abstract for the study:

    . . . The purpose of this study was to examine the association between alcohol consumption and all-cause mortality over 20 years among 1,824 older adults, controlling for a wide range of potential confounding factors associated with abstention . . .

    . . . The sample at baseline included 1,824 individuals between the ages of 55 and 65. The database at baseline included information on daily alcohol consumption, sociodemographic factors, former problem drinking status, health factors, and social-behavioral factors. Abstention was defined as abstaining from alcohol at baseline. Death across a 20-year follow-up period was confirmed primarily by death certificate . . .

    . . . Controlling only for age and gender, compared to moderate drinkers, abstainers had a more than 2 times increased mortality risk, heavy drinkers had 70% increased risk, and light drinkers had 23% increased risk. A model controlling for former problem drinking status, existing health problems, and key sociodemographic and social-behavioral factors, as well as for age and gender, substantially reduced the mortality effect for abstainers compared to moderate drinkers. However, even after adjusting for all covariates, abstainers and heavy drinkers continued to show increased mortality risks of 51 and 45%, respectively, compared to moderate drinkers . . .

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...286.x/abstract

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    This should shorten up the life span back a bit.


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    Just not buying this.....See Micheal Douglas thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
    Just not buying this.....See Micheal Douglas thread
    isn't douglas a heavy smoker?

    I don't think it's all that outlandish a claim...that all things being equal, a moderate drinker will reap health benefits that a non-drinker won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterlessIceness View Post
    Now I'll just wait for the article that says that mary-jane smokers out-live non smokers



    I can see the benefits of steady, moderate drinking over your lifetime. I suppose I'm not one to endorse moderation of the substance, but I'd be willing to give a try in ten years or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chewbaccamonkeylunch View Post
    been trying to explain this to people for years....beer is good.
    How you been dude? Glad you still kickin' it n shit.

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