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    The Rockstar Ramblings: Roth vs. Hagar
    Friday, 20 August 2010

    From Metal Underground.com:

    With the long awaited Van Halen (with David Lee Roth) follow up to 1984 due out next year (and one would expect a world tour) this week we take a look at the classic David Lee Roth vs. Sammy Hagar debate with a closing thought on how the pending album may affect this age old discussion.

    THE VAN HALEN YEARS
    David Lee Roth was with VH for their first six albums. Roth started with the VH brothers as mostly a cover band that grew into a sound that complimented Rothís raspy voice with Eddieís guitar. Van Halen I and II (the first two albums) are classics. Fair Warning, Women and Children First, and Diver Down would continue to build on the success of the first two albums, making VH a critical and popular success story. However, it was the album 1984 (and the #1 single Jump) that would catapult the band as one of the top in the world. Along with videos showcasing the party hardy attitude, several songs were hits and are still in radio rotation today. This was the last album with Roth at the helm. Soon after the VH brothers would recruit Sammy Hagar and put out albums 5150, OU812, For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, and Balance. Musically the band was stronger with Hagar, leading to even more albums sold; however, the more mainstream sound and commercial success also led to over play of their music in commercials and more commercials.
    VERDICT: David Lee Roth wins slightly. My opinion is that the music from the Roth years actual holds up better today than the Hagar years.

    LOOK AND ATTITUDE
    David Lee Roth was/is obnoxious and a show boat. Roth created a template (partly inspired by others) on how to be a rock star front man. Sammy Hagar, no light weight himself in the rock star department, couldnít help but come across as more of a hard hat/lunch pail musician following Roth.
    VERDICT: David Lee Roth takes the edge here. Without Roth there is no Vince Neil, no Bret Michaels. Okay, letís call this one a draw.

    THE INTANGIBLES (from videos)
    Sammy Hagar wore Zubaz pants often in the early Van Hagar videos. Roth was an on-stage ninja.
    VERDICT: There are no winners here.

    MUSIC CAREER W/O VAN HALEN
    David Lee Roth had major success with the EP Crazy From The Heat and albums Eatíem and Smile and Skyscraper. After these initial solo releases, a significant drop off, often left trying to put out albums unoriginal and lacking the superstar attitude that made Dave famous. Sammy Hagar was already a success as a solo artist prior to VH, creating the greatest driving song of all time: I Canít Drive 55. After VH Hagar would continue making tequila inspired music and then form super group Chickenfoot to much success.
    VERDICT: Sammy Hagar is the clear winner here.

    NICKNAMES
    Sammy Hagar: The Red Rocker, David Lee Roth: Diamond Dave
    VERDICT: Diamonds are forever.

    OTHER INTERESTS
    Taking a break from his solo career, Roth became a paramedic, Vegas lounge singer, and the next (albeit briefly) heir apparent to Howard Stern. Recently DLR has released some of his artwork he painted over the years. Sammy Hagarís interests include Tequila, owner of Cabo Wabo Cantinas, and Tequila.
    VERDICT: Sammy Hagar, by a swig.

    OVERALL
    Over a decade ago there were many Sammy Hagar supporters, in my bar room discussions, more were fans of Sammy with VH than David Lee Roth. It was always close, itís like picking John Stamos or Bob Saget, itís really preference of style. Over time there has been a shift due to the original six Van Halen albums, aging like fine wine while the Hagar VH albums, well, continue to remind us (at least me) of Pepsi and Buick automobiles. To me, this is the interesting point. With the pending album David Lee Roth is putting his Van Halen legacy on the line. Should the album be a success it will cement him as the true front man of Van Halen, if it flops, then we may have another twenty years of Roth vs. Hagar, the same way we still have the Uncle Jessie vs. Danny Tanner debates.
    VERDICT: David Lee Roth (so far)

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    "THE INTANGIBLES (from videos)
    Sammy Hagar wore Zubaz pants often in the early Van Hagar videos. Roth was an on-stage ninja.
    VERDICT: There are no winners here."

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    That's actually one of the better breakdowns I think I've seen. I would agree with most everything the guy says, especially the part about classic VH holding up better through the years.


    The only thing that I don't get is when he says the DLR years win "slightly" and that his bar room discussions show more people prefer the Sammy years. That's fucking mind-boggling to me. Van Halen with Dave is Van Halen. How anyone could pick the Sam years over the DLR years is a complete fucking mystery to me.



    (We were due for a good Sam vs. Dave thread. )
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    VH with Sam ('86-'96) - Incredible era....."We have renamed this town 'New Halen!'.
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    VH with Wolf/Dave ('12-'15) - Amazing comeback. Smokin' album and tours.

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    I'm a Dave guy but what's wrong with Zubaz pants?? I have a pair somewhere. Gonna have to break them out now.
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    The Dave vs. Sam debate will go on for a long, long time.

    Some of the pro-Dave guys wonder why some pick Sam over Dave. One reason is that they grew up with Sam in Van Halen. Their formative years of Van Halen had Sam as the singer.

    To me, you can like who you want. It's all good.

    For the record, I prefer Dave over Sam but not by much.
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    Seems fair and accurate.

    Van Hagar created some great music, but even 5150 cannot come close to VH 1 & 2 and Fair Warning. Those are true classics.
    'Old Van Halen, when I was in it-classic Van Halen-makes you wanna drink, dance and screw, right? And the new Van Halen encourages you to drink milk, drive a Nissan and have a relationship.' - David Lee Roth.

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    Dave FTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfiddl View Post
    Dave FTW.
    Fuck that.




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    How many, How many say I

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    Seriously it's almost 2011, and still people feel the need to have this silly debate? Really?
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    Wow, that article was dumb.

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    The thing I hate about these articles is that they write about crap that we already know. Talk about beating a dead horse!! The only time they should write anything is when it is about something current. VHND should be about current news, not about old VH history. Yes we know who Dave and Sammy are and what they have accomplished. What a lame ass article!!

    One last thing. When and if these guys come out with an album and when I listen to it from start to finish, I guarantee you that Sammy Hager will be the last thing I think about. Did anyone listen to Chickenfoot and think to themselves "I wonder what Dave would have sounded like singing this song" Hell no!!

    Ok now I feel better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    Seriously it's almost 2011, and still people feel the need to have this silly debate? Really?
    The Debate will be over in 2012 when the World Ends

    All songs written and performed by:

    Edward Van Halen: Lead Guitars, Backround vocals
    Sammy Hagar: Lead Vocals, Acoustic/Guitars
    Michael Anthony: Bass/ Backround Vocals
    Alex Van Halen: Drums/Percussions/Back Vocals
    Sammy Hagars solos available on Geffen
    Special Thanks to: Valerie, Wolfie, Sue, Kari,Claudio for introducing the RedRocker to us Al's Harem and kids, Elisha, Taylor, Kama/ all the fans past and present: all recordings done at "5150" where else! A nod and wink to Ed Leffler.
    Irving Azoff/ All the staff at Warner Bros. past and present/ Gary Cherone for giving his all/ David Lee Roth for getting us there and oh yea Ray Daniels, for keeping the bathrooms clean during all the performances. Oh yea, your fucking check is in the mail and next time you whip your bullshit on us again, where taking your ass to Cabo and pounding mud up your ass till you cough up sand for the loss of 8 years. nuff said, IT"S 5150 TIME

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood P. View Post
    I'm a Dave guy but what's wrong with Zubaz pants?? I have a pair somewhere. Gonna have to break them out now.
    Wheren't those pants Ed and Sam wore on the 5150 tour?

    All songs written and performed by:

    Edward Van Halen: Lead Guitars, Backround vocals
    Sammy Hagar: Lead Vocals, Acoustic/Guitars
    Michael Anthony: Bass/ Backround Vocals
    Alex Van Halen: Drums/Percussions/Back Vocals
    Sammy Hagars solos available on Geffen
    Special Thanks to: Valerie, Wolfie, Sue, Kari,Claudio for introducing the RedRocker to us Al's Harem and kids, Elisha, Taylor, Kama/ all the fans past and present: all recordings done at "5150" where else! A nod and wink to Ed Leffler.
    Irving Azoff/ All the staff at Warner Bros. past and present/ Gary Cherone for giving his all/ David Lee Roth for getting us there and oh yea Ray Daniels, for keeping the bathrooms clean during all the performances. Oh yea, your fucking check is in the mail and next time you whip your bullshit on us again, where taking your ass to Cabo and pounding mud up your ass till you cough up sand for the loss of 8 years. nuff said, IT"S 5150 TIME

 

 

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