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    Default Why am I have problems with fine Line tape? Grrrr

    Ok, I've tried 2 times now...this time it was better, but I still get bleed, even after I've pressed down good on each piece of tape...HELP!





    -I want to get those lines looking good, if I have to repaint a third time, I will, but I'd rather not.
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    I had the same issue when I painted this headstock... I just used a sharp hobby knife to scrape away the bleeding.

    For the record: most of Ed's Kramers had some "bleed" in the lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red43j View Post
    Ok, I've tried 2 times now...this time it was better, but I still get bleed, even after I've pressed down good on each piece of tape...HELP!
    Did you use a pic to press the edges of the tape - especially where they intersect? You will see the tape flatten-out if you use a pic or flat edge.

    If you STILL have bleed after using the pic method, spray a light dust coat of white first, then proceed with the red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimi11580 View Post
    I had the same issue when I painted this headstock... I just used a sharp hobby knife to scrape away the bleeding.

    For the record: most of Ed's Kramers had some "bleed" in the lines.
    Hey Jimi!
    Ya, I've got some pics of Eddies 5150, and you can see the bleed. I wouldn't mind it so much, but jeez, theres TOO MUCH! LOL Cody suggested that I strip the paint (I gues I'm gonna do it again), paint it white (as well all know), tape it, hit it with white or clear, then paint it up red. I think I'm gonna go this route. With that down, I'll hit the body, but I still have to fix the neck pocket. Theres the tiniest play in the pocket, and I need to figure out how to fix it (i know to shim with some wood, but I want to make sure I'm lining the neck up perfect). Any help is suggested. thanks guys, I seriously appreciate it!
    Eddie must think I'm a BOZO to want to drop THAT much on one of his new Charvel Guitars!

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    Isn't it humid in PA this time of year?

    It's gotta be hard to get that shit to stick. Honestly, I think it looks good.
    But if you're going for a bang on I'd paint during a different time of the year -
    but I've only been through Penn once. If not follow the other dude's advice an
    make sure that shit is down flat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyCopenHalenII View Post
    Isn't it humid in PA this time of year?

    It's gotta be hard to get that shit to stick. Honestly, I think it looks good.
    But if you're going for a bang on I'd paint during a different time of the year -
    but I've only been through Penn once. If not follow the other dude's advice an
    make sure that shit is down flat.
    Hey there-
    Yes, it is hot, and sitting on a flight line for 4 hours almost every day doesn't help either ;-) ...BUT I've had no problems with the paint sticking (or did you mean the fine line tape?). It was just the bleed! I'm off Wednesday and Thursday, so it looks like I will be sanding the paint off, and going from there. The paint problem is figured out, shimming the sides of the neck cavity properly is now the concern. Gotta figure out how to get the proper string alignment from bridge to tuners (the cavity has a slight looseness to it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red43j View Post
    Gotta figure out how to get the proper string alignment from bridge to tuners (the cavity has a slight looseness to it).
    Hello Red,

    I'm guessing by the absence of tuner set screws that you haven't assembled this guitar in a mock build? If you’re using trem bushes and don't mind having them installed during the painting process (you can remove them before painting with a puller if necessary) you may want to consider assembling the guitar and making all the adjustments (shims, alignment, etc) before painting. I've assembled a few guitars with GREAT neck pockets only to find that the strings have tracked off the side of the neck during assembly which means having a crappy looking/fitting pocket after paint – WOW! Just my opinion.

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    Hey. Yes....you will always get a little bleed, especially at the intersects, and you'll have to scrape a little like Jimi said, but I've been using a tape made by ProForm on my latest project. It's great! it has a semi tranlucency to it that acts like an indicator that you have proper tape adhesion to avoid bleed. It's a white plastisized tape used by custom automotive paint shops. When you have proper adhesion, it turns almost transparent. Check out an auto paint store and describe it to them. Just might help a bit next time around. It's saved me tons of time on "Gums", the Toothless Shark project on another thread in here. You still see a little bleed, but it's greatly reduced from standard tapes. Another bonus is it has an elasticity that aids in a cleaner line when pulling the tape. Kinda has a cutting action that avoids "paint pull". It's still reccomended that the first few coats be very light dust coats. This will avoid "wicking" under the tape, because the dust coats flash almost instantly, and create a ridge along the tape's edge. I'll see if there's an item number on the roll tonight when I get home. in the meantime........get busy with that exacto blade! lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLEEPER5150 View Post
    It's saved me tons of time on "Gums", the Toothless Shark project on another thread in here.
    "Gums" - HA!! That guitar looks Awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLEEPER5150 View Post
    Hey. Yes....you will always get a little bleed, especially at the intersects, and you'll have to scrape a little like Jimi said, but I've been using a tape made by ProForm on my latest project. It's great! it has a semi tranlucency to it that acts like an indicator that you have proper tape adhesion to avoid bleed. It's a white plastisized tape used by custom automotive paint shops. When you have proper adhesion, it turns almost transparent. Check out an auto paint store and describe it to them. Just might help a bit next time around. It's saved me tons of time on "Gums", the Toothless Shark project on another thread in here. You still see a little bleed, but it's greatly reduced from standard tapes. Another bonus is it has an elasticity that aids in a cleaner line when pulling the tape. Kinda has a cutting action that avoids "paint pull". It's still reccomended that the first few coats be very light dust coats. This will avoid "wicking" under the tape, because the dust coats flash almost instantly, and create a ridge along the tape's edge. I'll see if there's an item number on the roll tonight when I get home. in the meantime........get busy with that exacto blade! lol.
    Man-
    I REALLY could use some elasticity with the tape. Wrapping the tape around just the headstock...I CAN'T seem to get the back detail just right (I'm assuming its due to the fact that Kramer had a not so perfect shape to the hockey headstock, unlike the Musicraft neck-well, they are just different is probably a better way of putting it)...I'll be sanding soon, and knocking it out.
    Eddie must think I'm a BOZO to want to drop THAT much on one of his new Charvel Guitars!

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    Alright,
    I sanded off the paint again. Third times the charm....
    Eddie must think I'm a BOZO to want to drop THAT much on one of his new Charvel Guitars!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red43j View Post
    Man-
    I REALLY could use some elasticity with the tape. Wrapping the tape around just the headstock...I CAN'T seem to get the back detail just right (I'm assuming its due to the fact that Kramer had a not so perfect shape to the hockey headstock, unlike the Musicraft neck-well, they are just different is probably a better way of putting it)...I'll be sanding soon, and knocking it out.
    Yeah, it really helps a lot. The cool thing about it is it's somewhat elastic, but it doesn't stretch out thin, at least not so much that it's visible. The other thing is what you mentioned....when you wrap the tape around the back or on a contour that causes conventional tape to wrinkle, which provides the paint a perfect area to bleed.
    She looks so $#@!'n good ,so sexy and so frail....Somethin's got the bite on me, I'm goin' straight to Hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAD-1972 View Post
    "Gums" - HA!! That guitar looks Awesome!
    haha! Thanks man! Yeah...I should have that project wrapped up this Friday night or Saturday. I'll post pics, and maybe even a clip! I used the tape I was talking about on it. Saves a hell of alot of post paint scraping of bleed, as well as leaving clean smooth lines when the tape is pulled.
    She looks so $#@!'n good ,so sexy and so frail....Somethin's got the bite on me, I'm goin' straight to Hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLEEPER5150 View Post
    Yeah, it really helps a lot. The cool thing about it is it's somewhat elastic, but it doesn't stretch out thin, at least not so much that it's visible. The other thing is what you mentioned....when you wrap the tape around the back or on a contour that causes conventional tape to wrinkle, which provides the paint a perfect area to bleed.
    The problem I'm having really, is getting the lines to go where they are supposed to go. Bleed shouldn't be a problem anymore after I paint it with white after putting the stripes down! ;-)
    Eddie must think I'm a BOZO to want to drop THAT much on one of his new Charvel Guitars!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLEEPER5150 View Post
    haha! Thanks man! Yeah...I should have that project wrapped up this Friday night or Saturday. I'll post pics, and maybe even a clip! I used the tape I was talking about on it. Saves a hell of alot of post paint scraping of bleed, as well as leaving clean smooth lines when the tape is pulled.
    GREAT! Just refreshing to see something deferent and original!

    Tape... recently, I've been using 3M 471 Blue Fine-Line tape which seems to "stretch" more than 3M 218. The Blue tape also has more adhesion compared to the 218 Green. They claim the 218 Green is better suited for non-hardened paint - lacquer, enamel, etc. I've also experienced more "bleed" with 218 (mostly on tape intersections) vs. 471. Just my two-pennies!

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