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    not sure if this is getting much press stateside but our idiot PM decided to have Toronto host the G20 Summit next month. We cannot be less excited. My company (one of the major banks in the country) is basically having everyone that can stay out of the downtown core for the week do just that - so i'll be one of the lucky ones and working from the comfort of my kitchen table in the burbs. We're expecting it to be a complete disaster. Every loser in North America is likely to be in my hometown to violently protest the fact that they are losers.



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    Police are turning extra eyes on Toronto.

    As officers brace for violence at the G-20 summit of world leaders next month, additional security will include more downtown closed-circuit cameras, Toronto Police said Friday.

    The boost in televised watchdogs throughout the G-20 conference June 26-27 is “being undertaken to ensure the safety of all those who live and visit our city,” Const. Wendy Drummond said. “These cameras are in addition to those already in place.”

    A list of the closed-circuit TVs, to be removed later, will be released after they are installed and signs warning of them will be posted at intersections, she said.

    “From the outset, we have said that there will be nothing secret about the cameras,” Drummond said. “They will observe public spaces only.”

    Anticipating an influx of globe-trotting protesters, the Integrated Security Unit (ISU) consisting of Toronto and Peel police, the RCMP and military staff began preparing strategies months ago.

    Clubs, rocks, Molotov cocktails and other weapons have been used at past conferences and police also fear copycats may try to plant improvised explosive devices (IEDs) like the one in Afghanistan that killed Pte. Kevin McKay, a Richmond Hill native.

    Though political violence is rare here, Canada is not immune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    Clubs, rocks, Molotov cocktails and other weapons have been used at past conferences and police also fear copycats may try to plant improvised explosive devices (IEDs) like the one in Afghanistan that killed Pte. Kevin McKay, a Richmond Hill native.

    Though political violence is rare here, Canada is not immune.
    Interesting piece of journalism from the sun reporter there. Try to find a link between protesters of the summit and Taliban fighters in Afghanistan by talking about IEDs and the death of someone I assume was a local boy. Nice attempt at planting seeds - Of course, anyone who marches is a domestic terrorist. Shameful writing.

    Not saying it won't get violent - it will - but the vast majority of people who attend such rallies are there to make their voices heard and express their frustration: Not to smash things up or hurt people.

    Let's hope the policing is well done and not too heavy handed because the potential is always there when a large group of angry people get together, for things to get ugly.
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    Good points graeme.


    Mike. If you see Riot Dog raising hell in the streets of Toronto then get the hell out of there.


    G20 Summit - Disaster Expected
    When I saw that title I thought you must be talking about what we can expect taking place INSIDE the G20.

    I don't envy Toronto hosting this G20 though. Gonna get ugly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by graeme View Post
    Interesting piece of journalism from the sun reporter there. Try to find a link between protesters of the summit and Taliban fighters in Afghanistan by talking about IEDs and the death of someone I assume was a local boy. Nice attempt at planting seeds - Of course, anyone who marches is a domestic terrorist. Shameful writing.

    Not saying it won't get violent - it will - but the vast majority of people who attend such rallies are there to make their voices heard and express their frustration: Not to smash things up or hurt people.

    Let's hope the policing is well done and not too heavy handed because the potential is always there when a large group of angry people get together, for things to get ugly.
    No, but I think protestors using "Clubs, rocks & Molotov cocktails" can be treated as if they're domestic terrorists. I'm hoping that the police are incredibly heavy handed with people like this. You want to protest, feel free. The second it gets violent I have no issue with the police doing whatever they feel is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wruff_ajax View Post
    Good points graeme.


    Mike. If you see Riot Dog raising hell in the streets of Toronto then get the hell out of there.




    When I saw that title I thought you must be talking about what we can expect taking place INSIDE the G20.

    I don't envy Toronto hosting this G20 though. Gonna get ugly.
    fortunately I'll be watching on TV it looks like. My company is being pretty proactive. They don't want important people like me in harms way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    No, but I think protestors using "Clubs, rocks & Molotov cocktails" can be treated as if they're domestic terrorists. I'm hoping that the police are incredibly heavy handed with people like this. You want to protest, feel free. The second it gets violent I have no issue with the police doing whatever they feel is needed.
    Not saying you are necessarily wrong Mike, but, to me at least, the issue is far less black and white.

    Absolutely true that there are some nutters who attend these things, but they are a tiny minority. At most, these so-called anarchists might smash a few windows and, with the sheer numbers of police with cameras these days, they tend to get caught for their stupidity. Forget face masks. They get followed and nabbed later on. And you can guarantee that a few troublemakers will be portrayed in the media oftentimes as representing the majority. (re: Idiotic language in the Sun article)

    My issue is with "provocative" policing, and I've seen it in action firsthand (not on a protest) and been told a few stories by friends too. Very often, rather than taking an observant and genuinely precautionary role, the police are often directed into situations where they either antagonise or just plain frighten the crowds. Panic motivates, often as not.

    There are plenty of cases of peaceful demos going bad when the police decide it is their right to clear an area, by whatever means they deem fit. This aggressive type of action is bound to cause more trouble than it prevents.

    There is also a technique, I think it is called "kettling" where the police approach from all sides and literally trap the crowd so that they have no way out. This happened to a friend of mine in London who spent six hours pinned into an area unsure of when or how she would be able to go about her day. This happened at about the same time they were told they had to leave, but of course, they couldn't.

    Just as there are a few idiots mixed in with the mostly good, there are also a fair few dickheads wearing uniforms. During the English miners' strike in the 80's, the police were drafting in people from all over the country. I knew three policemen who couldn't wait to go (and did get their chance) to, as one put it, "bash in some heads". They did.

    There is blame to be apportioned on all sides: protesters, police and security arrangements. I am no police-hater, nor do I sympathise with kids breaking shops either, but all too often people on all sides lose their common sense.

    Would I go on the expected G20 protests? Probably not, because nothing ever seems to come of them, but in most Western countries it is your right to do so.

    Of course, there are those who say that everybody should just stay away and that the whole thing just causes too much trouble.

    I guess these are the people who also think democracy is a bad thing.
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    My first politics prof told me something that i keep to this day. He said "if you feel the need to publically protest to get on tv then you've already lost". His point was that real change doesn't happen through protests like this, it happens by working within the system.

    I don't doubt that many of those protesting will have good intentions but it never fails that every time one of these protests in Toronto gets violent it's the same characters being arrested. It's these same people who are crying about how the cops are to blame. I'm yet to see the cops move in on a protest that wasn't getting violent. In fact our cops here are probably too nice and don't like moving in. This is what I fear will happen at the G20. In order to keep our "nice guy" image we'll give the hooligans too much rope and this will become a rather large problem.

    I'm just pissed that it's in Toronto. No good will come from this giant photo op. That's all it is, nothing new will be happening at the summit. Just more burned money. All this inconvenince and wasted money for what? Nothing but problems.

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    I've been working through the system my whole life it's never changed anything for me. I've written more US Congressman then Viagra causes errections and I've never missed a general election in my life. I think violence is not the way to go either. However,its only going to get worse.
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    The U.S. State Department says Americans living in Toronto or planning to visit during the late-June G20 summit should avoid downtown Toronto.

    In a travel advisory issued yesterday, the department says previous summits have drawn large numbers of protesters, and some groups have announced plans to demonstrate in downtown Toronto.

    The G20 Summit, which heads of state and government will attend, will take place June 26-27, at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre.

    can't say i blame the US government on this. Just shows what a disaster that next week is likely to be.

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    I don't foresee any problem in Toronto. The crazy looters, pillagers, etc. will probably still be going crazy in LA.
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    I don't foresee any problem in Toronto. The crazy looters, pillagers, etc. will probably still be going crazy in LA.

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    $1 billion for Security and $2 million for a fake lake.


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    $1 billion for Security and $2 million for a fake lake.


    If that's not Conservative I don't know what is!!!!
    Shit, me and my Dad and some friends could have saved them at least $500 Million on security!
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    not sure if this is getting much press in the States but the G20 Protests have turned into a violent mess (not a shocker). It seems that every loser on the continent is in Toronto today. Not the greatest day for my hometown.



    Heavily armed riot police are attempting to clear crowds out of central Toronto, several hours after black-clad vandals raged through the city in protest of the G20 summit.

    In the heart of the city, four police cars have been torched and officers have used tear gas for the first time in the city's history. There are reports that police fired rubber bullets to disperse the crowds, which Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair could not confirm.

    With large swaths of the city core paralyzed, the demonstrations have forced officials to shut down downtown subway stations and close off main streets from vehicle traffic.

    At least 75 arrests have been made and officials say that number could rise as night approaches.

    Only a few blocks from the mayhem, G20 leaders are meeting at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre.

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    Doesn't sound so bad so far compared to other G20 summits. Hope the weather stays crappy I guess.

    Hey, while you've got all those cursed official world banking serpents together there in Toronto this weekend then why don't you guys do the world a huge favor and tie large stones to them all before throwing them into that $2m fake lake that you built there. Get your moneys worth out of it.
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