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    hey guys.
    Well, I did pose this question before, but it was in another thread and I think it just got buried, so I'll ask again.
    I have a real early OFR, like '82 or '83. it has no spring plate under the clamp screws, and the saddles look a little different from more modern units. It still works well, and has been on one of my old Kramers for a long time and it was set up floating. Anyway, I took it from the Kramer, and installed it on another guitar flushmounting it. The problem is that the plate on the arm side is about an 1/8" higher in the rear. All the years of use have caused the plate to actually bend. Now, I know a fair amount about metal as I do alot of fabrication on cars and bikes, but I'm just not sure what processes are used in forged Floyds. Are they tempered or annealed? or are they just coldforged? Quench hardened? I'd like to save it as it is a very original production version, and aside from the slight bend it works perfectly well, but with this bend in it flushmounted, I'm getting a little rattle on bass notes or heavy bends. Can I just bend it back, or should it be heated, bent then retempered, or whatever process they used? I'm not real worried about the chrome, as i do have access to a chrome shop that does my customs' parts.
    You guys may not have an answer, but I'm curious. My fear is that in trying to force it back, I may actually either create a reverse bend adjacent to the existing one due to weakening, or it may just crack, then that's the end of it all together. I'm thinking heating it with a torch may work, but then the transfer could soften the knife edges. Not sure what to do. I've never seen another except on the 5150.
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    hmmm, im not sure about the production proess either, but i would certainly heat it while working on getting it straight, then quench it afterwards....how were you planning on straightening it anyway?....my suggestion would be to make a tool so you can pass it over the arm side and twist it back into shape gradually...but i'm no metal worker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommywho5150 View Post
    hmmm, im not sure about the production proess either, but i would certainly heat it while working on getting it straight, then quench it afterwards....how were you planning on straightening it anyway?....my suggestion would be to make a tool so you can pass it over the arm side and twist it back into shape gradually...but i'm no metal worker.
    I actually have a set of flanging pliers that will work to bend it. I use them on pinch seams for auto body work. My main concern is just that...The application of heat.
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    Man, I really want to see a picture of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivebombInc View Post
    Man, I really want to see a picture of that.
    As soon as I get a new camera, I'll post some snaps of it. In the meantime, you can see what it looks like on that "Secrets of the 5150 Guitar vid on youtube" (Don't see it on Vintage Kramer anymore....Nothing but broken links) The only difference between mine and that one is the saddles on mine are a little longer, and it has slots side to side cut under each clamp block. They have a different transition shape in the string slot; kind of pear shaped. Now these could very well be an aftermarket saddle from around that time, but given that the wear is so consistent, I'm positive they're original. I've had this Floyd since '85 or '86 with no mods or tweaks except for the crap nylon arm bushing which I replaced with a stronger delron sleeve. Like I said, other than the bend, and just wear and tear on the chrome, it works quite well. The thing that surprised me the most was the condition of the knife edges. There's barely a mark on 'em, so gives you an idea just how well made they were back then. The only issue is the way it sits. The bass side hits before the treble, and if I adjust the posts to compensate, the the intonation screws bind on the body on the treble side a bit, so I'm not a fan of that.
    She looks so $#@!'n good ,so sexy and so frail....Somethin's got the bite on me, I'm goin' straight to Hell.

 

 

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