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    So, I'm in the UK doing a week of work, sat in a hotel most evenings, which gives me the time to surf the net for hours.

    The news in the UK has been talking about a legal drug called Mephedrone, apparently called Miaow Miaow or M-Cat, which has, shock horror, been implicated in a few deaths. Not directly of course. The government and media have been jumping all over it and it has now been put on the fast track to getting banned as a class B controlled substance.

    I decided to do a little research into this (for me unheard of) white stuff, which is supposedly comparable to a mix of cocaine and MDMA. I found some websites and it appears that the chinese have been making this stuff by the mega ton and sailing it round to world to the UK and legally importing it or, as seems more common, people have just been ordering it over the internet.

    Seems this stuff is more than common with the youth here, kind of a blizzard if you will, based on the fact that it is legal, extremely cheap and great fun.

    Now that it is being made illegal (cue higher prices, dangerous impurities and lots of new criminals) a new drug, tentatively entitled NRG1 is hitting the shores. The Chinese factories say they already have five or six new compounds which will still be legal, ready to continue production and export.

    I feel very old. I had no idea the synthetic drugs scene, legal at that, had reached such heights and popularity.

    The "Sun" article, full of lots of hypocrisy and sensationalism, but interesting, all the same.

    NRG-1 is 25p a hit and will kill many more than meowFrom VIRGINIA WHEELER
    in Antwerp, Belgium

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    A BRIT chemist who helped flood the UK with meow meow has warned of an even DEADLIER legal high about to hit us.
    Worried Dave Llewellyn told The Sun that the new drug NRG-1 will be "Britain's worst nightmare" leading to mass brain damage and death.



    NRG-1 ... 'juices the brain and causes cerebral burn out'
    The horror drug COSTS just 25p a hit compared to 10 for a rock of crack cocaine, yet it is 13 times STRONGER than coke and even more ADDICTIVE than heroin.

    But authorities are powerless to prevent it flooding our streets because it is completely LEGAL.

    Dave, a drug manufacturer and legal stimulant seller based in Belgium, said yesterday: "It is the worst drug ever to hit the shores of Britain. It makes meow meow look like baby powder.

    "It will wreck hundreds of lives and kill many times more than meow meow - and far more horrifically. It will make users want to tear out their own eyes.

    "It makes people feel like God Himself - but really it is the Devil's Powder."

    Scots-born Dave admits sending meow meow to Britain but has stopped after it was implicated in 26 deaths. He agreed to speak to The Sun amid moves to make the substance, officially known as mephedrone, illegal in Britain.

    He turned whistleblower to us in a bid to prevent NRG-1 - which also has the street names Energy 1 or Rave - reaching the UK's markets too.

    He said the new drug, otherwise known as naphyrone, would kill and mentally destroy so many people it would quickly "fill an Olympic stadium".

    Speaking to us in the port city of Antwerp, he warned: "Naphyrone comes from Chinese factories and what it does to users is truly frightening.

    "It will make them feel like God for about 12 hours. But when it wears off they will feel worse than they ever have in their lives. They won't sleep for three days.

    "It juices the brain, causing cerebral burn-out of a degree not seen before. It causes paranoia and suicidal tendencies and permanently alters brain chemistry with horrifying consequences."

    And he went on: "The worst thing is that it is completely legal. It is being marketed as a mephedrone replacement and will be bought by children.

    "It can be made by anyone with a GCSE in chemistry for around 10p a gram. That would give one person around 80 hours of the ultimate legal high, then destroy them.

    "Such a tiny amount is needed that it will turn up in playgrounds for 25p a hit. I think it will become Europe's crystal meth."

    Dave said each hit of naphyrone was 13 times more potent than cocaine. And just a few granules of the off-white powder have the chemical effect of a "mega speedball" - like taking crystal meth, cocaine and ecstasy combined.

    Dave added: "I won't sell meow meow again because of what has happened in Britain, with people selling the drug and then not telling them it can become lethal when mixed with alcohol.

    "Marketing it as plant food is the most idiotic thing that could ever happened. That decision cost lives.

    "But naphyrone is the one that sends shivers down my spine. I won't touch it and want to warn people how terrifying this drug is."

    Dave, who left the UK to run Alchemy Labz selling "ethical" stimulants on the Continent, showed us dozens of websites already flogging naphyrone to Brits.

    And drugs forums are crammed with questions from excited youngsters about the "brand new" meow meow - at the same time as seasoned users warned against it.


    Warning ... the molecular make-up of ecstasy, mephedrone and NRG-1 are terrifyingly similar
    One posted: "It is flying to Heaven - and waking up in Hell."

    The chemical make-up of both mephedrone and naphyrone are only slightly different - and BOTH are terrifyingly similar to ecstasy.

    Dave explained that mephedrone gives users a high by overdosing the body's pleasure receptors.

    But naphyrone works by over-stimulating not only those receptors, but also ones which flood the body with adrenaline. The combination causes brain "fry-out".

    Dave has written to Home Secretary Alan Johnson and the Drugs Advisory Council about his fears.

    He insisted: "No drug is safe and I am definitely not advertising meow meow now. If I ever thought there was a one per cent chance someone would die from a drug I would not sell it at all.

    "I understand the chemistry and I want to do the right thing. There needs to be serious action taken, driven by facts and not hysteria.

    "There needs to be an open discussion and it needs to hear from law enforcement officers, politicians, youth workers, scientists - and also drug users."

    UK drug websites were buzzing with talk about the new substance last night. One user who had tried it warned: "Can't sleep, very bad comedown. Sweating all night."

    Dave said: "I am stopping the sale of mephedrone in the UK due to the new legal position.

    "I find it terrible that, under the Medicines Act, people have to sell it as plant food - which makes it illegal to tell people that it can be lethal if mixed with alcohol and in fact should not be mixed with any other substance.

    "Criminalising people for giving out safety information on what everyone knows is a drug is the most idiotic thing that could ever have happened."

    He also explained that there are three different strengths of NRG1 (naphyrone.)

    And he added: "Naphyrone is NOT the same as mephedrone in its effects. It is not a replacement. It is a killer."



    Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz0jswWy7Hu
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    Hmmm. interesting read. We had a couple teenage girls die here last month. They lived miles away from each other, but both attended the same party. One was found dying, and the other made it to hospital, but died soon after. The autopsy confirmed it was a lethal combination of alcohol and a as of yet unnamed imported drug that was under investigation. Being a very closely tied port city to China, it would'nt surprise me if this was the drug. BTW, the alcohol amounts by themselves were not considered excessive.
    Weird! Can't say for certain, but it was a strange case.
    She looks so $#@!'n good ,so sexy and so frail....Somethin's got the bite on me, I'm goin' straight to Hell.

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    China doesn't need to send out their army to take over the world - just keep a steady supply of lethal drugs, toothpaste and drywall and they'll get it done...

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    Has anyone heard of this incense that people are smoking called K2. I guess it was made by some scientist years ago as a replacement for THC. Completely legal, you can buy it over the net. The scientist who made it says its very dangerous and a few deaths have been linked to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OLO View Post
    Has anyone heard of this incense that people are smoking called K2. I guess it was made by some scientist years ago as a replacement for THC. Completely legal, you can buy it over the net. The scientist who made it says its very dangerous and a few deaths have been linked to it.
    Yeah my brother works for a city govornment and was telling me about 2 friends of his that do this in case of random tests and accidents, but they drink at work so apparently they should just smoke the real stuff.

    Whatever happened to dosing a sugarcube and watching Yellow Submarine? Shits crazy now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuddman5150 View Post
    Yeah my brother works for a city govornment and was telling me about 2 friends of his that do this in case of random tests and accidents, but they drink at work so apparently they should just smoke the real stuff.

    Whatever happened to dosing a sugarcube and watching Yellow Submarine? Shits crazy now.
    They're taking Xanax bars ,comitting Apocolypse Now and society is saying shit like "this generation is emotionally troubled because of 9/11". Wtf? What a bunch of Marys kids are nowadays. I am glad I don't have kids, I would have a lot of trouble finding a qualified doorstep to leave them on these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007 View Post
    China doesn't need to send out their army to take over the world - just keep a steady supply of lethal drugs, toothpaste and drywall and they'll get it done...
    Actually, the toothpaste is just the drywall formula prior to manufacture.
    That and saccharin for flavour.
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    I've heard the name 'Rave' from a guy I used to get green from, but I had no idea it was that cheap and potent. Stupid kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterlessIceness View Post
    I've heard the name 'Rave' from a guy I used to get green from, but I had no idea it was that cheap and potent. Stupid kids.
    I posted this article, ridiculous as it is, to see how we all, me included, reacted to the idea of a killer drug in our midst.

    The point is this. From what I now understand, this stuff has been kicking around for two years minimum, and at best the tabloids can link it to 24 deaths, of tens of thousands who have been getting their jollies off on it for about as long.

    Considering how many teens die every year from booze, or aspirin or lightning strikes, I would go right, flat out, to say, this stuff is pretty safe. Yet, as we speak, a law is about to be passed that will criminalise people who take it, putting yet one more product in the hands of the unscrupulous.... to say the least.

    I'm 41, but I do remember being 18. I never went drug crazy, but I had some good times on things that my elders would consider dodgy. Never tried heroin or crack, but good nights were had on LSD, mushrooms, speed, coke etc... I just didn't become a junkie and these things faded into the mists of my youth.

    Some are not so lucky, true, but it is not the drug (IMHO) so much as the person's mindset. I smoke 30 cigs a day, and obviously that particular vice caught me, but is it the cigarettes or just the fact that I got into them at a certain time. No idea.

    My feelings, more and more, are just to let things be. Man has always wanted to alter his state of mind. Kids especially. It's called learning about thought and life and emotion. There will be some casualties along the way, this is life, but should it really be a constant state of deeming criminal, people, young people, just searching for a little bit extra?

    I do not want, for me or my children, a nanny to tell me what to do....

    Thankfully, it seems even those in the councils are starting to get upset about being told how to enrich or endanger or otherwise our lives...

    From the bbc


    Adviser resigns over mephedrone
    A government adviser has quit the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs over the criminalisation of mephedrone.

    Eric Carlin said ministers had pledged to ban the drug so as to appear "acting tough" in the run-up to the election.

    Mr Carlin is the seventh member of the body to resign following the sacking of former chairman Professor David Nutt.

    The council has recommended that the substance, linked to at least four UK deaths, and other so-called "legal highs" be classified as Class-B drugs.

    Young people

    Mr Carlin, 47, a former chairman of the English Drug Education Forum, told the BBC he was "extremely unhappy" at the way the council arrived at its decision earlier this week.

    Earlier, in his resignation letter, he said was increasingly disillusioned with the lack of attention paid by politicians and the media to drug prevention and early intervention among young people.

    Mr Carlin also criticised the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs's (ACMD) "apparent lack of interest in the subject".

    In his letter to Home Secretary Alan Johnson, Mr Carlin wrote: "We had little or no discussion about how our recommendation to classify this drug would be likely to impact on young people's behaviour.


    FORMER ADVISERS

    Prof David Nutt - chairman of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs
    Dr Les King - part-time advisor to the Department of Health, senior chemist on ACMD
    Marion Walker - clinical director of Berkshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust's substance misuse service, Royal Pharmaceutical Society's representative on ACMD
    Dr John Marsden - psychologist
    Dr Ian Ragan - pharmaceutical consultant
    Dr Simon Campbell - synthetic organic chemist who received a CBE for services to science
    Dr Polly Tayor - independent scientific adviser on ACMD
    Eric Carlin - consultant to ACMD

    "Our decision was unduly based on media and political pressure."

    He added: "As well as being extremely unhappy with how the ACMD operates, I am not prepared to continue to be part of a body which, as its main activity, works to facilitate the potential criminalisation of increasing numbers of young people."

    Speaking later to the BBC, he criticised the way the Home Office addressed drugs as a criminal justice issue, rather than a public health or social impact issue.

    The mephedrone decision "was seen as a quick fix so that the home secretary could be seen to be acting being tough on drugs before an election," he said.

    He said drug policy in the UK needed to consider why young people were attracted to drugs, with intervention and prevention being crucial.

    According to the ACMD website, his appointment was from 1 January 2008 to 31 December 2010.

    Another member of the ACMD told the BBC that they felt "properly consulted" and there were at least four meetings where mephedrone was discussed by the council or its expert committees.

    The member, who does not have a scientific background, said they "did not feel under the slightest pressure from politicians or the media" when it came to making the decision to recommend that mephedrone should be classified as a Class-B drug.

    'Full confidence'

    Mr Carlin's resignation comes just days after another adviser, Dr Polly Taylor, quit the ACMD for similar reasons.

    Professor Nutt, who was sacked by Mr Johnson in October 2009, said he was not surprised by Mr Carlin's resignation.

    "There's not been proper consideration given to the broader justice and political aspects of making a drug Class B and criminalising maybe tens of thousands of young people," he said.

    "I'm not surprised that people think it's all been done for political reasons rather than scientific or health reasons."


    The Home Office called Mr Carlin's resignation "regrettable".

    A spokesman said: "However it does not impact on our plans to ban mephedrone and the other substances as soon as parliamentary time allows.

    "The home secretary has full confidence in [chairman] Professor [Les] Iversen and the rest of the ACMD committee."

    Welsh Secretary Peter Hain said the government was right to act and Mr Carlin could have still argued his case while remaining a council member.

    "Up to 25 people are suspected of having died from this drug. And for the government not to have acted and to have rendered it illegal I think would have been grossly irresponsible."

    Prison sentence

    Shadow home secretary Chris Grayling said the relationship between the government and the ACMD had become "utterly shambolic".

    He said: "After all the chaos of the last few months, it finally looked as if Alan Johnson might be getting things back into shape again.

    "The decision on mephedrone was the right one, but this latest resignation suggests pretty clearly that the home secretary has been completely unable to restore his relationship with the experts who advise him."

    Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne said: "Once again, the government's contempt for expert advice has decimated the ACMD.

    "There is no point having experts to advise on drugs if Labour is only interested in pandering to tabloid newspaper editors.

    "The only way to restore science to the heart of drugs policy is to make the ACMD completely independent of government."

    Mr Johnson will ban mephedrone and the other substances within weeks, following the advice of the ACMD.

    Class-B drugs, which include cannabis and amphetamine sulphate, carry a maximum sentence of five years in prison for possession or 14 years for supply.

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