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    Default Van Halen/Chickenfoot/Dave/Sammy sales figures - every damn stat I can find

    OK, so I just looked at this and realised just how much meaningless jargon I'm about to post, having used far more ridiculous sales figures than even I'm used to juggling in my head which has always been curious about these things. But hey, if you ever need a master resource on Van Halen sales - this is the nearest you're gonna get

    US SALES ONLY - anything else is so much harder to find

    As y'all know, I'm obsessed with statistics - they intrigue me. So I often quote meaningless sales figures at all of you.

    In the interest of the handful of you that might be curious, I read UKMix.org's forums, the best repository on the net for sales figures. But I've trawled the net generally to just gather it up since it's not collected anywhere and it's nice to have, y'know?

    Remember Soundscan sales don't include those from Columbia Music House (which in the 1990s stocked all Van Halen's stuff and was where a lot of music was sold), and is for actual sales not shipments. i.e. shipments will always be significantly higher than sales unless an album is out of print and only available online in which case the figure will go up more evenly. This means recent albums have far lower shipment sums, whereas albums released in the 80s/90s would often ship far more than they'd sell, based on expectations.

    Soundscan sales were implimented in mid 1991 though not widespread all over the country until the end of the year. Anything from late '91 onwards it's the total sales.

    Van Halen (soundscan totals date end of May 2006 unless otherwise noted)
    * 1978 - Van Halen - certified for shipment of 10 million in 1996, has scanned 2.09 million copies [January 2009]
    * 1979 - Van Halen II - certified for shipment of 5 million in 2004, has scanned 0.695 million copies
    * 1980 - Women & Children First - certified for shipment of 3 million in 1994, has scanned 0.591 million copies
    * 1981 - Fair Warning - certified for shipment of 2 million in 1994, has scanned 0.49 million copies
    * 1982 - Diver Down - certified for shipment of 4 million in 1998, has scanned 0.536 million copies
    * 1984 - 1984 - certified for shipment of 10 million in 1999, has scanned 1.347 million copies
    * 1986 - 5150 - certified for shipment of 6 million in 2004, has scanned 1.167 million copies
    * 1988 - OU812 - certified for shipment of 4 million in 2004, has scanned 0.555 million copies
    * 1991 - For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge - certified for shipment of 3 million in 1994, has scanned 2.953 million copies (released ahead of the soundscan system's widespread use)
    * 1993 - Right Here Right Now [double] - certified for shipments of 1 million in 1993, has scanned 0.717
    * 1995 - Balance - certified for shipments of 3 million in 2004, has scanned 2.032 million copies
    * 1996 - Best Of Volume I - certified for shipments of 3 million in 2004, has scanned 3.488 million copies [November 2009]
    * 1998 - Van Halen III - certified for shipment of 0.5 million in 1998, has scanned 0.514 million copies
    * 2004 - Best of Both Worlds [double] - certified for shipmenet of 0.5 million in 2004, has scanned 0.633 million copies

    So Right Here Right Now still hasn't sold the initial run of 1 million shipments, but some albums are definitely due a re-cert. For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge must be due 4x Platinum at this stage. If not, it's incredibly close to it.

    David Lee Roth (soundscans only go up to January 2000 if not otherwise noted)
    * 1985 - Crazy From The Heat - certified for 1 million shipments in 1985, has scanned 0.842 million copies [mid-late 2002]
    * 1986 - Eat 'Em & Smile - certified for 1 million shipments in 1986, has scanned 0.85 million copies [mid-late 2002]
    * 1988 - Skyscraper - certified for 1 million shipments in 1988, has scanned 0.385 million copies [mid-late 2002]
    * 1991 - A Little Ain't Enough - has scanned 0.331 million copies [mid-late 2002]
    * 1994 - Your Filthy Little Mouth - has scanned 0.0657 million copies [mid-late 2002]
    * 1996 - Best Of - has scanned 0.109 million copies [mid-late 2002]
    * 1998 - DLR Band - has scanned 0.0537 million copies [mid-late 2002]
    * 2003 - Diamond Dave - scanned 0.015 million copies [September 04]
    * 2006 - Strummin' With The Devil - opening week sales scanned at 0.0017 million


    I recall an interview sometime around '89 where Roth said Skyscraper had sold over 2 million copies. I don't know if he meant stateside or globally, but given how hard global sales are to get, and given what a high percentage of VH's sales are in America, I'd guess he meant US. Plus, his solo career was popular enough that I'd have thought that by the end of the 1980s, those 3 releases were due re-certification. I read somewhere ALAE has Platinum-level sales and given the initial release sales were pre-Soundscan, it's quite possible that optimistic shipments (since it was at the time when a lot of artists suddenly declined in sales) were high enough for this.

    Sammy Hagar (soundscans same date as David Lee Roth ones)
    * 1973 - Montrose (with Montrose) - certified for 0.5 million shipments in 1977, certified for 1 million shipments in 1986
    * 1979 - Steet Machine - has scanned 0.018 million copies
    * 1981 - Standing Hampton - certified for 1 million shipments in 1992, has scanned 0.154 million copies
    * 1982 - Rematch has scanned 0.005 million copies
    * 1982 - Three Lock Box - certified for 0.5 million shipments in 1983, has scanned 0.079 million copies
    * 1983 - Live 1980 has scanned 0.001 million copies
    * 1984 - Through The Fire (with HSAS) - has scanned 0.014 million copies
    * 1984 - VOA - certified for 1 million shipments in 1985, has scanned 0.099 million copies
    * 1987 - I Never Said Goodbye - certified for 0.5 million shipments in 1987, has scanned 0.045 million copies
    * 1992 - Turn Up The Music - has scanned 0.01 million copies
    * 1994 - Unboxed - certified for 0.5 million shipments in 1995, has scanned 0.385 million copies
    * 1997 - Marching To Mars - has scanned 0.356 million copies [July 2003]
    * 1999 - Red Voodoo - has scanned 0.365 million copies [July 2003]
    * 2000 - Ten 13 - has scanned 0.129 million copies
    * 2002 - Not 4 Sale - has scanned 0.048 million copies [July 2003]
    * 2003 - Hallelujah has scanned 0.02 million copies [July 2003, very new release]
    * 2006 - Livin' It Up - has scanned 0.052 million copies [November 2008]
    * 2008 - Cosmic Universal Fashion - no idea about total sales, but it scanned 0.008 million copies in week of release.

    Given these figures are years out of date, I reckon Marching To Mars cannot be far off Gold certification now. Red Voodoo had only been out for 9 months too, that was still shifting units. "Mas Tequila" was still quite a new single when these figures came out.

    Chickenfoot
    2009 - Chickenfoot - has scanned 0.763 million copies [March 2010]

    The 90s sales figures really show how much of a more popular recording artist Sammy Hagar became. Really eclipsed David Lee Roth. And what a gigantic success Chickenfoot's been relative to the decline of the music industry. Sales have declined 45% in the last 10 years. So if this was set in direct competition to Van Halen III, it would have easily passed the Platinum mark.
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    RAA Shipment system
    500, 000 copies = Gold
    1, 000, 000 = Platinum

    For double albums over 100 minutes in length, shipments/online sales are counted as two units.
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    This is not meant as derision for your post, but this goes to show that no one really knows how much has been sold.

    Gives a good look into why the music industry is struggling.

    "Hey Warner Brothers, Van Halen is one of your biggest selling artists of all time, how many units of theirs did you sell?"

    WB: "We don't know exactly, a lot."

    The fact that BOV1 has scanned more units than shipped is humorous to me.
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    Labels almost certainly know, they just lie. AC/DC's Back In Black sales are 30-35 million but via a multitude of bullshit excuses (singles sales, sales of any live album that has songs from BIB on it etc..) they claim it's sold about 45 million "records" I think now.

    And shipment figures increase in the Gold/Platinum/Multi-Platinum incriments. So Best Of Volume I isn't due re-certification yet....when it's scanned around 3.6-3.95 million it'll be due a re-certification. Not that they will necessarily; I'm sure DLR's stuff's under-certified since his old label have no motivation to pay for certification. Certs are good promo, but not for albums that aren't sellin anyway. Def Leppard's Vault is at about 4.95 million copieis but that album doesn't need promo so hasn't been certified, is the flipside xD

    Soundscan for big sellers is easy to get. Industry insiders get them and often post them online. The problem is minor sellers like David Lee Roth's 1990s albums aren't something many people have an interest in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Elfoid_TFS View Post
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    * 1999 - Red Voodoo - has scanned 0.365 million copies [July 2003]

    Red Voodoo had only been out for 9 months too, that was still shifting units. "Mas Tequila" was still quite a new single when these figures came out.
    Red Voodoo, to my recollection, came out in early 1999....the date here is July 2003 so it was out for more than 4 years....not 9 months.

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    After reading this list, we're not really much more knowledgeable of anything. Except for Chickenfoot. Looks like it'll go platinum... even though some posters here SWORE it would never reach the million mark.
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    Wasn't there some random statistic that only Whitney Houston and Van Halen had 2 albums that sold 10 million (not including Greatest Hits albums)?

    Somebody utilize the google on the Internets and figure it out.
    Right here I say....

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    Quote Originally Posted by right-here-i-say View Post
    Wasn't there some random statistic that only Whitney Houston and Van Halen had 2 albums that sold 10 million (not including Greatest Hits albums)?

    Somebody utilize the google on the Internets and figure it out.
    The Beatles have Abbey Road (12X platinum) and Sgt. Pepper's (11X). They also have the White Album (19X) if you want to count that even though it's a double album. They also have a few compilation albums over 10X platinum including the most recent "1" album.

    Furthermore Led Zeppelin has LZ IV (23X), LZ II (12X), Houses of the Holy (11X), LZI (10X) and they have Physical Graffiti at 16X but it's a double album.

    Pink Floyd has the Wall at 23X so anyway you look at it it's over 10 mill. And Dark Side at 15X.

    Britney Spears (oy..) has one at 14X and 10X.

    Garth Brooks at 21X, 17X, 10X, and 10X

    Shania Twain at 20X, 12X, and 10X

    honestly there are too many for me to keep going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheInside1985 View Post
    Red Voodoo, to my recollection, came out in early 1999....the date here is July 2003 so it was out for more than 4 years....not 9 months.
    Middle of making my post I found more information xD

    You can only edit posts 15 mins after you make them, so some errors...remain.

    On the 10x Platinum note...the story went that there were only five rock bands (use your own definition) who had 2 albums with a 10x Platinum certification.
    * Led Zeppelin
    * Pink Floyd
    * Def Leppard
    * Van Halen
    * The Beatles

    ^ note all British except Van Halen
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    Quote Originally Posted by right-here-i-say View Post
    Wasn't there some random statistic that only Whitney Houston and Van Halen had 2 albums that sold 10 million (not including Greatest Hits albums)?

    Somebody utilize the google on the Internets and figure it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Elfoid_TFS View Post
    Middle of making my post I found more information xD

    You can only edit posts 15 mins after you make them, so some errors...remain.

    On the 10x Platinum note...the story went that there were only five rock bands (use your own definition) who had 2 albums with a 10x Platinum certification.
    * Led Zeppelin
    * Pink Floyd
    * Def Leppard
    * Van Halen
    * The Beatles

    ^ note all British except Van Halen
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    The fact that DLR's YFLM outsold DLR Band is a crying shame.

    Good news for Chickenfoot. Largely an 'unknown' band with 'known' members. Certainly some Van Halen-esque hype there - however it can't be THAT much....Chickenfoot outsold VH3 (as it should have) - however the record landscape has dramatically changed...there are a PILE more illegal downloads now then in 98....just a testiment to a great CD!

    Van Halen is done...they just haven't told us yet. So, I'll take ChickenfootII and some new DLR stuff in a heart beat; in fact, I think it's time for Dave to dust off the EAS band!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    in fact, I think it's time for Dave to dust off the EAS band!
    The way Vai talks in interviews I think he would be up for it, and Bissonette would be too. He keeps himself busy, but Gregg is not in any major gig.

    The one hard to convince would be Sheehan.

    I think he is the one with hurt feelings, though he did play with Roth on the new John 5 album, who nows if they interacted with each other at all though.
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    If a band pushes 500,000 copies of an album now its pretty much treated like a platinum record these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    The way Vai talks in interviews I think he would be up for it, and Bissonette would be too. He keeps himself busy, but Gregg is not in any major gig.

    The one hard to convince would be Sheehan.

    I think he is the one with hurt feelings, though he did play with Roth on the new John 5 album, who nows if they interacted with each other at all though.
    Vai for years has been pretty open minded about doing something with Roth. Vai has always sounded like the kind of guy whos willing to play with anybody.

 

 

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