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    Chatroulette, a Web site that connects videochatters with a limitless number of "random strangers" from around the globe, is an Internet sensation -- but it poses unique dangers for minors and new challenges for law enforcement.

    This Chatroulette.com user told FoxNews.com he was a member of the U.S. Army.
    One minute you're chatting via webcam with a mom of two from Montauk, N.Y. -- and the next you're staring at a stark-naked man in Bangkok. Such is virtual life on Chatroulette, an "extreme social networking" Web site that connects users with a limitless number of "random strangers" from around the globe.

    The site, which debuted late last year, is an Internet sensation, attracting tens of thousands of videochatters at a time. But a large number of them seem determined to expose themselves, or to entice others to do so -- and that is causing alarm among authorities and child protection advocates.

    Chatroulette, they say, is a "predator's paradise."

    Though users of the site must confirm that they are at least 16 years old and that they agree not to broadcast obscene, offending or pornographic material, some legal experts -- including one who saw the dangers firsthand -- say those barriers can be easily bypassed and can connect children with sexual predators and child molesters.

    "Parents should keep all children off the site because it's much too dangerous for children," Dr. Keith Ablow, a psychiatrist and Fox News contributor, said.

    "It's a predator's paradise. This is one of the worst faces of the Internet that I've seen. It's disconnecting human relationships rather than connecting them."

    Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, told CBS' The Early Show that the site is the "last place parents want their kids to be."

    "This is a huge red flag; this is extreme social networking," Allen said. "This is a place kids are going to gravitate to."

    But the authorities find themselves wearing a big set of handcuffs when dealing with the site's inherent dangers.

    Anupam Chander, a law professor at the University of California-Davis, said he saw "clear indecency" within 10 minutes of going on Chatroulette. "It would be very easy for authorities that wanted to suggest that the site was contributing to public indecency to do that," he told FoxNews.com.

    But, he continued, the Communications Decency Act of 1996 may exempt civil liability for Chatroulette itself, because the law has been interpreted to imply that operators of Internet services are not publishers, and therefore not legally liable for the content of third-party users.

    Authorities would be more likely to go after individuals who expose themselves while using the site, he said. But that's much easier said than done.

    "Are any local police in Kentucky or Boston going to have the resources to chase after someone in Albania?" he asked. "What this will inevitably involve is the federal authorities, because it is transmission of indecent material across state lines."

    If a crime did occur on the site -- say, someone exposing himself to a minor -- the victim would be unlikely to bring the matter to authorities, Chander said. So a successful prosecution would likely start with an investigator posing as an minor.

    "This is not easy, but I think it will require the federal authorities to apply their best talents and their best efforts," he said. "If [a flasher] thinks no one can get to him, then he's going to do this again and again and again. It's important for him to feel the threat of prosecution."

    Jim Walden, a former federal prosecutor and co-chairman of the white-collar defense and investigations group at Dunn & Crutcher LLP in New York, said a prosecutor would theoretically have sufficient basis to start an investigation based solely on an offending broadcast shown in his or her jurisdiction.

    "So if there is a child predator using this site in order to lure children, or if someone uses this site to further some sort of intellectual property crime, a prosecutor in the jurisdiction where this is broadcast has sufficient basis to start an investigation," he said. "And the broadcast itself could be enough."

    But getting a copy of that broadcast would be "practically impossible," Walden said, unless the images and messages are being archived by the site's providers.

    "I find it hard to believe that these images aren't retained for some period of time," he said. "Let's be realistic. This is the Internet -- someone, somewhere is keeping a copy of this content."

    But Doug Isenberg, an Internet law attorney based in Atlanta, said he found it "difficult if not impossible" to track any user of the site, since it does not require registration.

    "What can you do about it? The answer right now seems to be not very much," Isenberg said. "I'm sure there will be those who want to shut the site down in its entirety because it's being used for some illegal activity. But that may be an extreme response, just like shutting down YouTube because there are videos on there that infringe copyrights."

    The site's creator is understood to be Andrey Ternovskiy, a 17-year-old high school student in Moscow. He told the New York Times he initially created the site for "fun" and to connect randomly with global users. He said its seven servers are located in Frankfurt, Germany.

    "Everyone finds his own way of using the site," Ternovskiy wrote in an e-mail to the paper. "Some think it is a game, others think it is a whole unknown world, others think it is a dating service. I think it's cool that such a concept can be useful for so many people. Although some people are using the site in not very nice ways -- I am really against it."

    Ryan Calo, a resident fellow at the Stanford Center for Internet and Policy, said the issues of jurisdiction, intent and liability surrounding the site would make perfect law school testing material.

    "It would make for a great cyberlaw exam," Calo said. "Students would have to identify all those issues."

    Despite the legal ambiguities surrounding the site, Chris Reed, professor of electronic commerce law at the Queen Mary University of London School of Law, told FoxNews.com that an individual could be extradited to a foreign country for transmitting obscene or indecent images if the conduct is obscene in both countries -- that of the sender and receiver. But that's not likely to happen, he said.

    "In practice, no country has sufficient law enforcement resources to take action in other than symbolic cases," Reed wrote FoxNews.com in an e-mail. "There just aren't enough courts, police officers, etc., to chase after online activities which cause little harm in the receiving country.

    "I guess the question is how best to use the country's tax dollars -- do you chase crack dealers? Or go after foreigners who masturbate in front of webcams? I doubt any country can afford to do both."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilovevh View Post
    Or go after foreigners who masturbate in front of webcams?
    Seriously, wtf is wrong with people??? I mean really, some people see anything new and think "how can I jerk off to it?" There are so many jacked up people out there

    The service itself sounds kinda neat in a way (if used appropriately), but I wouldn't go near it with a 10 foot pole with that stuff.

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    the real problem here is how to keep kids away from it? 14-16 year old boys are going to be all over that thing, and most parents have no idea what types of websites their kids go on.

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    That's what happens when a 17-year-old writes an application.

    I have a question though. This is the Links, some people are parents so fair enough on posting this here. I'm also a member of two Harry Potter boards (dont ask) where there are old-timers in their 20-ies, but also a bunch of 13-15 year old kids. Would posting this article there count as spreading awareness, or would that only spark the curiosity?
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    I went on it last night and within 2 minutes i saw more than i wanted too.
    I had my dog on it and people either loved him or got pissed.
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    The rock band Faith No More played Live on Chatroulette last week in Australia, but they are a risque rock band!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterlessIceness View Post
    That's what happens when a 17-year-old writes an application.

    I have a question though. This is the Links, some people are parents so fair enough on posting this here. I'm also a member of two Harry Potter boards (dont ask) where there are old-timers in their 20-ies, but also a bunch of 13-15 year old kids. Would posting this article there count as spreading awareness, or would that only spark the curiosity?
    if you're serious about this, I'd PM a moderator on the Board first.

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    I can see why some parents would be freaking out about such a site. I can.

    I also don't think it should be shut down or changed in any way.

    The whole beauty of the internet is that it's been the last bastion of true freedom and anarchy on the planet.

    Now I know, I know, there's a group of you feverishly clicking "quote" and "reply" just so you can tell me I don't know shit about shit since I don't have a kid and all that jazz and that's fine. Get it out of your system.

    The fact remains though, not everything in this world needs to be kid friendly. The web is a very very big place and yeah, as absolutely disgusting as some of the shit on here is, there's room for it. There's a place for it.

    The fact also remains, that stories of outrage over this site and things like it alert MILLIONS more to its existence than would have found out if people didn't have to go running to the top of the mountain to let everyone know about the most recent fucked up shit they just found online.

    And the idea of the site is pretty cool...just because pervs use it doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Cel phones were once the thing of drug dealers and video cameras were once specific to the porn industry.
    Stay out of it, dude.


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    Quote Originally Posted by broken9500 View Post
    I can see why some parents would be freaking out about such a site. I can.

    I also don't think it should be shut down or changed in any way.

    The whole beauty of the internet is that it's been the last bastion of true freedom and anarchy on the planet.

    Now I know, I know, there's a group of you feverishly clicking "quote" and "reply" just so you can tell me I don't know shit about shit since I don't have a kid and all that jazz and that's fine. Get it out of your system.

    The fact remains though, not everything in this world needs to be kid friendly. The web is a very very big place and yeah, as absolutely disgusting as some of the shit on here is, there's room for it. There's a place for it.

    The fact also remains, that stories of outrage over this site and things like it alert MILLIONS more to its existence than would have found out if people didn't have to go running to the top of the mountain to let everyone know about the most recent fucked up shit they just found online.

    And the idea of the site is pretty cool...just because pervs use it doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Cel phones were once the thing of drug dealers and video cameras were once specific to the porn industry.
    No, not everything needs to be kid friendly, but every site should be able to be seen for what it is/can be from the get-go so a parent, when perusing the browsing history of their children, can make conscious decisions about what their child os doing on the internet and block inappropriate content from them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHalenRules View Post
    No, not everything needs to be kid friendly, but every site should be able to be seen for what it is/can be from the get-go so a parent, when perusing the browsing history of their children, can make conscious decisions about what their child os doing on the internet and block inappropriate content from them.
    I agree...perhaps the site should come up with a way of creating different account levels or something...then again, it's not going to keep freaks from signing up as kids.

    That said, I think it comes down to a matter of not being able to protect them 100% from the freaks who use the site and as such it's probably one of those sites best left blocked from kids in general and left to those interested in the more adult and freak oriented fare offered on the site.

    But honestly, as soon as I read what the site did, the first thing I thought of was freaks wacking off and exposing themselves...I guess not everyone is as cynical or whatever when it comes to this sort of thing.
    Stay out of it, dude.


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    Like everything, someone has a novel idea, and someone else will figure out how to have sex with it.

    I think it's a cool idea. I went on there for a few minutes.
    I saw the following:
    • a group of young people, men and women, where all the girls were pulling up their shirts and showing their boobies
    • I saw a couple of guys who said they were at Washington State. They were excited to have found someone else on the west coast.
    • Some young girl who typed something like "OMG wut r u like 88686967 years old". That came up almost the instant the image appeared. I never said anything at all. No idea how she typed that fast. Also not sure how she guessed my exact age so quickly.
    •Then I found a couple sitting at a table. They said they were in France, and were married. We chatted briefly, and as we all had a drink nearby, we toasted and I signed off.

    I've often thought it'd be interesting to dial some random foreign telephone numbers just to say hello to some random person around the world. This is probably as close to actually doing that as I'd ever get. Now that I've done it, I don't see any reason to do it again.

    The script for the thing has to be pretty simple. If it catches on, google or someone will offer him 10 million dollars for it, and I'll be thinking again "Why didn't I do that?"
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    This site is going to spawn the next buzz phrase..assuming it takes off. Apparently if you don't like who you have on your screen you can "next" them. I can hear it now... "Oh I am sooo nexting you!" Egad!
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    Some young girl who typed something like "OMG wut r u like 88686967 years old".
    Lmfao , a funny kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naked Wake View Post
    the real problem here is how to keep kids away from it? 14-16 year old boys are going to be all over that thing, and most parents have no idea what types of websites their kids go on.
    I have a simple answer for that.

    My children don't get on the internet unless it is for school.

    I know I can't control what they do outside of the home, but I will be damned if they do certain things while in it.

    We have done fine for millions of years without cell phones and the internet, I think somehow they will survive.
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