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    President Obama will announce Tuesday night that he is sending 30,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan to be deployed over the next six months, Fox News has learned.

    In a speech to be delivered at West Point, the president also plans to discuss an end-game for U.S. involvement in Afghanistan that will have a specific timeline for withdrawing "surge" forces with a number and date attached.

    Military officials said at least one group of Marines is expected to deploy within two or three weeks of Obama's announcement, and will be in Afghanistan by Christmas. Larger deployments won't be able to follow until early in 2010.

    The 30,000 new troops will bring the total in Afghanistan to more than 100,000 U.S. forces. The main mission of the new troops will be to reverse Taliban gains and secure population centers in the volatile south and east parts of the country. NATO diplomats said Obama also is asking European members of the military alliance to contribute between 5,000 and 10,000 new troops to the international force in Afghanistan.

    Anti-war Democrats and liberals have been hammering the president for agreeing for the most part to a plan by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top commander in Afghanistan. But White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said that Americans will be pleased with the president's strategy, and its limited timeframe.

    "The president will announce an acceleration of our training of Afghan national security forces both of army and a police because in the end the Afghan have to be responsible for providing their own security that's what's important," Gibbs told Fox News on Tuesday.

    "This is not nation building and it's not an open-ended commitment," he said.

    Without giving the timeline for deployment or the total number of troops ordered up, Gibbs said Obama's speech will lay out a faster deployment plan than initially envisioned in the war review written by McChrystal, who had sought 40,000 troops. Obama is hoping that NATO allies will contribute the deficit in troops.

    The president's prime-time speech will speak only tangentially to the cost. Congressional Democrats have discussed placing a war tax on Americans that would exempt those making less than $30,000 but would impose a 1 percent tax on those earning more than $30,000.

    Gibbs said the White House is not talking about that tax, but hasn't discussed strategy without addressing costs.

    "Obviously, the cost of our endeavor in in Afghanistan, as in Iraq and throughout the world, has been discussed in these meetings. The president would never make a national security decision to protect the men and women of our own homeland based on a budget figure, but I will tell you this, guys, we are not going to and we can't afford to pretend that these wars do not cost money," Gibbs said.

    Support for continued fighting in Afghanistan has been mixed, with 42 percent of 900 likely voters in a recent Fox News-Opinion Dynamics poll saying they backed sending more troops while 45 percent opposed it and 12 percent said they didn't know. The Nov. 17-18 poll had a margin of error of 3 percent.

    Gibbs said the president has often made decisions that aren't "wildly popular" among Americans, but that the president is making a decision that is "in the best interest of our national security."

    "We have to have an end game. "We're not going to be there forever. We don't have the manpower and the resource of our men and women in uniform to be there forever, but this isn't a political decision, this isn't a budgetary decision," he said.

    Obama began rolling out his decision Sunday night, informing key administration officials, military advisers and foreign allies in a series of private meetings and phone calls that stretched into Monday.

    Anit-war groups, however, are continuing to protest, hosting events in 42 cities on Tuesday to demonstrate against the president's decision.
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    Obama keeps his Afghan promise, but Dems crumble

    At West Point tonight, when Barack Obama formally announces he is sending tens of thousands more American troops to Afghanistan, he’ll be doing so against the wishes of an overwhelming majority of the Democratic Party. Sending more troops will fulfill a key Obama campaign pledge, but it will also expose a deep rift in the party — and highlight its habit of dissembling on the war.

    A Gallup poll last week asked Americans about four possible options in Afghanistan. Would they prefer to see the number of U.S. troops increased by 40,000, as top military commanders proposed?

    Would they prefer to see the number increased, but by some smaller amount? Would they prefer the number remain unchanged? Or would they like to see the United States begin to reduce the number of troops in Afghanistan?

    Fifty-seven percent of Democrats want to reduce the number of troops, and another 10 percent want to see troop levels remain the same. That’s 67 percent — two-thirds — of Democrats who want the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan to go down, or at least go no higher. Which means two-thirds of Democrats likely oppose the president’s decision to send more troops.

    And yet, in the 2008 presidential season, from the Democratic primaries to the general election, Democrats felt required to promise to step up the war in Afghanistan. Was it because the Democratic base that now opposes escalation supported it back then? No. A Gallup poll in August 2007 — in the midst of the Democratic primary race — found that just 41 percent of Democrats supported sending more U.S. troops to fight in Afghanistan.

    If the base didn’t support it, then why did candidates promise it? Because Democratic voters and candidates were playing a complex game.
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    What does America have to gain by doing this?
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    This has been coming for a long time I guess. Even more disturbing, though, is the strategy that some analysts/leaks have been talking about, which is to concentrate current and new forces in the major population centres to create so-called "safe" zones. This will do nothing except create virtual siege cities, thus giving the countryside back to to the warlords and Taliban.

    I'm no military strategist, but I see a few possible holes in that idea.
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    How's everything going on the Iraq front?

    I was under the impression that the day he was elected, they would be pulling troops out.



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    I just don't see the point of being there anymore.

    And i say these things with all due respect to the members and families of military personnel from all countries who have gone to Afghanistan and Iraq.

    If the Taliban wins and takes over, who gives a shit?
    If the Afghanny people want a different form of government, they can deal with it.

    If the terrorists move back in and setup camps, drop a few bombs, or launch a few missiles and wipe them out again. Whatever.

    I really believe now that the horrible tragedy that was 9/11 was preventable, and avoidable if a lot of people on this side of the world had done their jobs, and while going to Asscrackistan and eliminating some people was the correct thing to do, that was 8 years ago.

    Think about all the snoozing at the switch that went on that allowed FOUR planes to be hijacked all at the same time.

    So many good young people's lives have been lost since, so many innocent civillians, two countries decimated, and very little positive has been accomplished.
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    It is simple...finish the fucking job.

    We didn't start the war, pig-fucking freaks who trained in Afghanistan with the Taliban's blessing did. We asked - politely - for the Taliban to turn over the Al Qaeda leadership (which they could have done), the Taliban told us no and took the extra step of backing Al Qaeda.

    So we kicked their ass with less than 200 Special Forces operators, the USAF, and an army of pissed off locals.

    We have already begun to turn things around in Afghanistan. The Marine units sent in late last year have been rolling back the Taliban pressence in their AO. The same is true elsewhere. If the CION plan is implemented fully we should see a faster errosion of the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In the end, we can expect to bring moderate Taliban into the Afghan government, and then we can draw down our forces. We have already begun to see Afghan villagers forming their own militias to drive the Taliban out, all we need to do is to build upon this trend, but that requires a larger force.

    It's about finishing the job. We finished the job in Iraq, and we are on track to pull our forces out completely by mid-2010 (as per 2008 treaty). The difference is that Iraq was not something that we needed to do. Afghanistan, on the other hand is something that we are obligated to see through to the end. Had we finished the job in 1989 by giving aid to Afghanistan after the Soviet pull-out 9/11 would not have happened and we would not be there now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
    It is simple...finish the fucking job.

    We didn't start the war, pig-fucking freaks who trained in Afghanistan with the Taliban's blessing did. We asked - politely - for the Taliban to turn over the Al Qaeda leadership (which they could have done), the Taliban told us no and took the extra step of backing Al Qaeda.

    So we kicked their ass with less than 200 Special Forces operators, the USAF, and an army of pissed off locals.

    We have already begun to turn things around in Afghanistan. The Marine units sent in late last year have been rolling back the Taliban pressence in their AO. The same is true elsewhere. If the CION plan is implemented fully we should see a faster errosion of the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In the end, we can expect to bring moderate Taliban into the Afghan government, and then we can draw down our forces. We have already begun to see Afghan villagers forming their own militias to drive the Taliban out, all we need to do is to build upon this trend, but that requires a larger force.

    It's about finishing the job. We finished the job in Iraq, and we are on track to pull our forces out completely by mid-2010 (as per 2008 treaty). The difference is that Iraq was not something that we needed to do. Afghanistan, on the other hand is something that we are obligated to see through to the end. Had we finished the job in 1989 by giving aid to Afghanistan after the Soviet pull-out 9/11 would not have happened and we would not be there now.

    I find it funny how you say WEin regards to finishing the mission in Afghanistan. You're obviously using the word WE to refer to the US.

    Canada and Australia have had the largest military presence in Afghanistan for quite some time while the US put much of it's efforts into Iraq.

    So I find it funny how you say, "We have already begun to turn things around in Afghanistan."
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