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    Couple Busted for Refusing to Pay Tip

    Patrons claim service was so bad, they had to get napkins and silverware for themselves
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    Updated 12:20 PM EST, Thu, Nov 19, 2009

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    If you’re frustrated by poor service at a restaurant, think twice before you decide to not tip. You may be in for a bit more than just a dirty look from the waiter.

    "Nobody, nobody wants to be forced to pay a tip or be arrested for terrible service," Leslie Pope said when her happy hour ended in handcuffs.

    Pope and John Wagner were hauled away by police and charged with theft for not paying the mandatory 18 percent gratuity totaling $16 after eating at the Lehigh Pub in Bethlehem, Pa. with six friends.

    Pope claimed that they had to wait nearly an hour for their order and that she had to get napkins and silverware for the table herself.

    “At this point I became very annoyed because I had already gone up to the bar myself to have my soda refilled because the waitress never came back,” Pope said.

    After the $73 bill came, the group paid for food, drinks, and tax but refused to pay the tip. After explaining the bad service to the bartender in charge, Pope claimed he took their money and called police. The couple was handcuffed and placed in the back of a police car.

    “I understand that, you know, we didn’t pay the gratuity, but it was a gratuity, it wasn’t something that was required,” said Wagner.

    The owner admitted that the group waited unusually long for their food, but said the pub was extremely busy that night. He said managers offered to comp the food, a claim the couple denies ever happened.

    “Obviously we would have liked for the patron and the establishment to have worked this out without getting the police involved,” said Deputy Police Commissioner Stuart Bedics.

    Police charged them with theft since the gratuity was part of the actual bill. However, it is doubtful that the charges will hold up in front of a judge. The couple is scheduled to appear in court next month.
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    damn I'm 44 minutes late on this one...
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    I wonder if they had just left a quarter if they could have been arrested. I've never heard of a tip being a mandatory part of the bill unless you are part of a party of 8 or more then the gratuity is automatically added to the bill. If the restaurant was willing to comp food than why not comp the tip. This just seems fucked up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sickman View Post
    I wonder if they had just left a quarter if they could have been arrested. I've never heard of a tip being a mandatory part of the bill unless you are part of a party of 8 or more then the gratuity is automatically added to the bill. If the restaurant was willing to comp food than why not comp the tip. This just seems fucked up.
    It was a party of 8

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    Because the owner is lying about the offer to comp the food.

    Typical small business owner - calls the cops for what, $15? Now he's got all kinds of publicity that he's an asshole and the service at his place sucks.

    But, I guess there's no such thing as bad publicity?!?!

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    Saw this last night on the news...what a load of crap, I would not have left a tip either.
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    they ordered food and drink for 8 people and the bill came to $73?

    that's only $9.12 per person. I don't know when the last time was where we went to anything but fast food and the bill with drinks was less than 12-13 bucks per person.

    nevertheless, what's the pub owners problem? He got paid for what he provided...the waitress just got stiffed. If he/she had moved people through more quickly they would have made more money....instead they had seat fillers waiting over an hour for their food....stuff happens, but that's just bad business. Dude should have had that table turn over more quickly. THAT'S what the owner should be worried about.

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    somewhere the numbers are wrong anyway, as 18% of $73 would be $13.14, not $16. An $89. bill at 18 percent would be a tip of $16.02. So maybe the bill was $93 (18% = $16.74)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007 View Post
    It was a party of 8
    Oh yeah, your right I see that. I wonder why only 2 were arrested. Why not arrest all 8. Either way the total is what is amazing here. 78 bucks for 8 people to eat and drink. Hell that is what the tab is when my wife and I go out to dinner. Hopefully the judge does throw this out. Too bad because that restaurant just lost 8 or more customers for good over $16.00.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007 View Post
    somewhere the numbers are wrong anyway, as 18% of $73 would be $13.14, not $16. An $89. bill at 18 percent would be a tip of $16.02. So maybe the bill was $93 (18% = $16.74)?
    Are there state taxes there? the tip % should be pre tax - that might explain the difference.

    this whole story seems full of it - 8 people at dinner for $80, owner calling the cops. there's much more to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007 View Post
    somewhere the numbers are wrong anyway, as 18% of $73 would be $13.14, not $16. An $89. bill at 18 percent would be a tip of $16.02. So maybe the bill was $93 (18% = $16.74)?


    I get the feeling that although it was a table of 8 there were separate bills for the couples. Even though I looked up the menu (which is pretty reasonable ($7.95 for sandwiches) with an appetizer you're looking at the 12 bucks or so...... In which case, if the menu is mostly sammiches why the hell did they have to wait an HOUR???and is it fair to charge the mandatory tip at this type of establishment?

    I wouldn't have waited an hour for a sammich...I would have just left...case closed.

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    based on the video - it says that some of the food was comped and it was happy hour. that might explain (1) the small amount of the bill (2) how busy the place was.

    i get a feeling everyone is wrong in this story.

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    Getting the cops involved was probably the poorest call of all. The officers I'm sure had better things to do that night. Now that the story has broken I;m sure people now now what place to stay away from at happy hour in Bethlehem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007 View Post
    somewhere the numbers are wrong anyway, as 18% of $73 would be $13.14, not $16. An $89. bill at 18 percent would be a tip of $16.02. So maybe the bill was $93 (18% = $16.74)?
    Are you figuring sales tax? Tip is calclulated on pre-tax total. I would figure it out but I took the day off so I refuse to do stuff like that.

 

 

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