Follow us on...
Follow us on Twitter Follow us on Facebook Watch us on YouTube
Register
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 26
  1. #1
    Good Enough extreme red roth's Avatar
    Join Date
    04.01.03
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    1,878
    Favorite VH Album

    Van Halen, 1984, 5150
    Favorite VH Song

    Today? Stay Frosty
    Last Online

    06.16.17 @ 09:53 AM
    Likes
    3
    Liked 104 Times in 44 Posts


    Donor

    Default It's About Time vs. Anything by Chickenfoot

    For no particular reason, I busted out BOBW today on my way home from work.

    I was listening to It's About Time and I realized something. Back in 04, I was truly excited for new music from Van Halen. (For the sake of this thread, I won't go into the other two tunes, though i liked (not loved) them.) Anyway, I thought the song was a solid effort, but not great. Over time it grew on me the way Van Halen tunes do, and for a short time, I even loved it.

    When I listened to it today, something really stuck out for me. Overall, it's as good, if not better than anything on the Chickenfoot album. Of course, this is my opinion, but pick your favorite Chickenfoot tune and then play It's About Time. I'd be surprised if It's About Time doesn't come out on top in this little experiment.

    The thing of it is...I love the new Chickenfoot. I really do. It's been in my car CD player for more than a couple of months. And I bought the new release with the DVD. But if I'm being honest with myself, I like It's About Time better.

    I think that Eddie is just better at writing songs. I actually think that this is where Eddie might be underrated. I know he can shread. But the man also can write a song.

    The problem is he hasn't or won't write new ones anymore. Damn it. So maybe he will someday. Or maybe Joe is just getting warmed up working with a band and collaboratively writing songs. Either one is a bonus.

    Rock on.
    The Barn Burned Down, Now I can See the Moon

  2. #2
    Atomic Punk Little Dreamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    12.25.99
    Age
    45
    Location
    Pasadena, CA, USA
    Posts
    8,944
    Favorite VH Album

    Fair Warning
    Favorite VH Song

    Hear About It Later
    Last Online

    12.15.17 @ 11:35 PM
    Likes
    1,014
    Liked 1,390 Times in 763 Posts

    Default

    Opening riff is pretty cool.
    But the verse melody is not one of Sam's best.
    Also you can kind of hear that it's not the whole band playing together on that tune. With CF, you have more interplay between instruments.

    I think SLT is a better written song than IAT. That's a different thing than saying the opening riff is cool. EVH doesn't write the melody or the lyrics. I also thing the song is a bit long for a single. EVH's song construction has been lacking since after Balance, i think.
    Little Dreamer

  3. #3
    Good Enough extreme red roth's Avatar
    Join Date
    04.01.03
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    1,878
    Favorite VH Album

    Van Halen, 1984, 5150
    Favorite VH Song

    Today? Stay Frosty
    Last Online

    06.16.17 @ 09:53 AM
    Likes
    3
    Liked 104 Times in 44 Posts


    Donor

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Opening riff is pretty cool.
    But the verse melody is not one of Sam's best.
    Also you can kind of hear that it's not the whole band playing together on that tune. With CF, you have more interplay between instruments.

    I think SLT is a better written song than IAT. That's a different thing than saying the opening riff is cool. EVH doesn't write the melody or the lyrics. I also thing the song is a bit long for a single. EVH's song construction has been lacking since after Balance, i think.
    Hey Dreamer, SLT isn't a bad song....It's a pretty close battle. At it's core, that's what makes this so interesting though. I agree Eddie's songwriting hasn't been the same since Humans Being (you say Balance, but Humans Being was a masterpiece from the same era), so for It's About Time to compete with Sexy Little Thing kind of shows that even Eddie at his possible more mediocre is still pretty flipping good. Which leads me to my last point...MAKE SOME FRICKIN NEW MUSIC, EDDIE. I know, it's like a broken record chant around here.
    The Barn Burned Down, Now I can See the Moon

  4. #4
    Atomic Punk Little Dreamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    12.25.99
    Age
    45
    Location
    Pasadena, CA, USA
    Posts
    8,944
    Favorite VH Album

    Fair Warning
    Favorite VH Song

    Hear About It Later
    Last Online

    12.15.17 @ 11:35 PM
    Likes
    1,014
    Liked 1,390 Times in 763 Posts

    Default

    Some videos of EVH from the last decade don't really support this. The 2 porn tunes sucked. "Up For Breakfast" wasn't good. Also EVH's "vibe" in the studio could be a problem.
    Little Dreamer

  5. #5
    Hot For Teacher
    Join Date
    08.23.07
    Age
    46
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    247
    Favorite VH Album

    Fair Warning
    Favorite VH Song

    I like most of em
    Last Online

    10.21.15 @ 08:14 AM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    The song writing in any of the 3 BOBW songs is better. What I didn't like about those songs was Sammy's screeching. And the lyrics weren't the best although learning to see was pretty good.

    I'd also like to add that the 3 new songs on the BOV1 are far and away better than the chickenfoot stuff. Not that the chickenfoot syuff is bad, it's not, some of it is quite alright, not stellar, but good enough.

    Eddies ability to write and structure songs as well as deliver them with his obvious proficiency is something that very few can match. Couple this with his unique approach, sound, style and ground breaking innovation, is it then really any wonder why very few can match this standard?

    Joe is a great guitar player and very versatile, however when comparing the two using the criteria outlined above, it is very clear he is no Eddie.

    Eddie copped a fair shellacking for VH111, some deserved some not. My opinion on 3 is that there were some decent songs on there with some very good guitar playing. The main problem was the sound. Someone (Ibeleive it was Ed) royally fucked up the sound on that disk. It really sounded raw and unproduced, no polish. That affected it's success as much as anything, I mean the drums sounded shocking.

    Anyway, I like CF, but they're not in the same league as Halen in my opinion. Others of course will disagree.

  6. #6
    Good Enough
    Join Date
    07.07.08
    Location
    Shanghai
    Posts
    1,772
    Favorite VH Album

    Fair Women Down
    Favorite VH Song

    How Now Brown Sound
    Last Online

    12.12.17 @ 06:31 AM
    Likes
    30
    Liked 342 Times in 192 Posts

    Default

    I actually agree with most of the posts thus far. CF is ok, but decidedly old
    hat; seems like they're having fun, but the songs were just kinda average
    sounding and not very exciting. I expected something more epic from them,
    and as mentioned, the band thing is not Joe's forte, so maybe that's why
    they come up short in comparison to any VH, including the 3 BO tracks.
    I've bagged on those tunes plenty, but the reason they fall short is for
    the criticisms already mentioned. No band vibe. They seemed like tracks
    Ed had laying around that Sam then stitched some lyrics on to. And Sam,
    in large part, is what makes those songs fail. Not trying to start shit, just
    the way I see it. I'm sure there are many reasons - not enough time, not
    getting along, control issues, whatever, but had those same tracks had
    better lyrics/melodies, they would be acceptable by VH standards. I thought
    the music for IAT and UFB was decent. The fact that Sam is the biggest
    qualm should give Ed some heart. Ed, are you reading this?

    CF definitely has a better band vibe, and Sammy offenses therein are
    minimal, but that record also fails for me in that it is SO cliche, especially
    in the lyric department. Just looking at their song titles, you knew it was
    gonna be uninspired lyrically and average melodically. Again, this isn't to
    bag on Sam, I've grown to really love and respect the man, but he is and
    will forever be Capt. Cliche. Which is why the recent Ed news may be so
    hard to swallow; one got the impression he may have wanted Dave back for
    some creative mojo. But we kid ourselves...

  7. #7
    Forum Frontman fudd's Avatar
    Join Date
    02.22.08
    Age
    38
    Location
    Earth
    Posts
    14,304
    Favorite VH Album

    Fair warning, 5150
    Favorite VH Song

    HAIL, love walks in, 5150
    Last Online

    @
    Likes
    1,320
    Liked 6,348 Times in 3,189 Posts


    Premium Member

    Donor

    Default

    I thought hey man was back starting shit but actually this is a good comparison.

  8. #8
    Good Enough brownnation's Avatar
    Join Date
    12.27.08
    Posts
    1,543
    Last Online

    02.18.16 @ 03:10 PM
    Likes
    33
    Liked 144 Times in 51 Posts

    Default

    The only thing I would say for sure in my opinion is that Future in the Past is hands down better than anything on BOBW. After that it gets to be a little tougher comparison. I'd probably still take most of the CF album.

    I did not like the 3 VH tracks when they came out, but like some of you said, they have grown on me. But the CF album just does it for me and, if this makes sense, it just seems more "real". I had no interest in '04 songs or tour b/c I just smelled BS. I don't think it was a shining moment for anyone involved. That could bias me a little against those songs, but I'll stick by CF and the sound and feel they got on that album.
    Anonymous for fear of fatwa

  9. #9
    Banned!
    Join Date
    04.27.07
    Location
    At my house
    Posts
    7,262
    Favorite VH Album

    Anything Ed plays on
    Favorite VH Song

    See above
    Last Online

    08.19.10 @ 08:10 AM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 8 Times in 8 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by extreme red roth View Post
    For no particular reason, I busted out BOBW today on my way home from work.

    I was listening to It's About Time and I realized something. Back in 04, I was truly excited for new music from Van Halen. (For the sake of this thread, I won't go into the other two tunes, though i liked (not loved) them.) Anyway, I thought the song was a solid effort, but not great. Over time it grew on me the way Van Halen tunes do, and for a short time, I even loved it.

    When I listened to it today, something really stuck out for me. Overall, it's as good, if not better than anything on the Chickenfoot album. Of course, this is my opinion, but pick your favorite Chickenfoot tune and then play It's About Time. I'd be surprised if It's About Time doesn't come out on top in this little experiment.

    The thing of it is...I love the new Chickenfoot. I really do. It's been in my car CD player for more than a couple of months. And I bought the new release with the DVD. But if I'm being honest with myself, I like It's About Time better.

    I think that Eddie is just better at writing songs. I actually think that this is where Eddie might be underrated. I know he can shread. But the man also can write a song.

    The problem is he hasn't or won't write new ones anymore. Damn it. So maybe he will someday. Or maybe Joe is just getting warmed up working with a band and collaboratively writing songs. Either one is a bonus.

    Rock on.

    OH! I COMPLETELY AGREE!!!

    I know, y'all think I'm biased, but I SWEAR I'm NOT trying to be. Ed just IS a better song writer PERIOD!

    K, I HAVE to be honest. I do LIKE some of Sammy's solo stuff, but Foot doesn't do anything at all for me. It kinda gives me the blahs. And personally, I LOVE Joe BY HIMSELF.

    Just me and my opinion, but for all the CHICKEN NUTS fans, ENGULF YOURSELF!!

  10. #10
    Good Enough extreme red roth's Avatar
    Join Date
    04.01.03
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    1,878
    Favorite VH Album

    Van Halen, 1984, 5150
    Favorite VH Song

    Today? Stay Frosty
    Last Online

    06.16.17 @ 09:53 AM
    Likes
    3
    Liked 104 Times in 44 Posts


    Donor

    I haven't posted in quite some time because of the usual Dave Vs Sam Vs Chickenfoot nonsense, but I was hoping this thread would spark some interesting conversation. It didn't disappoint.

    Good points made by all on both sides of the arguement!

    I don't want my last point in my original post to be lost. I think Joe could just be getting warmed up. We all know he has "skills". He might just need to get used to Sam and the other guys. In turn, it's possible that Sammy would be inspired to write better lyrics.

    My other point stands. Even when Eddie is average, he's better than most. Let's hope Dave or his son or someone pull it out of him one more time.

    Both VH and Chickenfoot better get moving though...nobody is getting any younger!
    The Barn Burned Down, Now I can See the Moon

  11. #11
    Little Dreamer Dolemite's Avatar
    Join Date
    11.23.04
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    14
    Favorite VH Album

    VHII, Fair Warning, F*CK
    Favorite VH Song

    Outta Love...Again
    Last Online

    05.25.15 @ 12:09 PM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    I did not like the 3 VH tracks when they came out, but like some of you said, they have grown on me. But the CF album just does it for me and, if this makes sense, it just seems more "real". I had no interest in '04 songs or tour b/c I just smelled BS. I don't think it was a shining moment for anyone involved. That could bias me a little against those songs, but I'll stick by CF and the sound and feel they got on that album.[/QUOTE]


    I love Ed and VH in all its various iterations, but can anyone honestly say that an album filled with tunes like the 3 on BOBW would make them excited? Can you imagine if UFB or IAT had been on F.U.C.K. or Balance - they would have been considered the worst tunes on those albums, but because we've all been sitting around waiting for something, anything, to come out of 5150 we convince ourselves that these songs are better than they actually are. I think when you compare Eddie's songs from pre-'95 to those written after, you hear how bloated, heavy handed and indulgent his writing has become.

    When I listen to old albums (Roth and Hagar era), I can't believe that the tight, energetic songs I loved in the 80's and 90's were written by the same guy who is now writing these long, lumbering tunes that seem to plod along for 6 or 7 minutes (at least they all feel that long). Where's the fun? Where's the hook? Where is the freakin' melody that Eddie used to bring to rock?

    Just my two cents.

  12. #12
    Atomic Punk I Coulda Hada VH's Avatar
    Join Date
    12.29.00
    Location
    Land O' Lakers
    Posts
    30,504
    Favorite VH Album

    The First One
    Favorite VH Song

    I'm The One
    Last Online

    12.16.17 @ 04:38 PM
    Likes
    10,343
    Liked 16,567 Times in 9,397 Posts

    Default

    Personally, I prefer both of the following to anything on BOBW or Chickenfoot's album:



    "It's so lonely at the top because it's so crowded at the bottom" - Diamond David Lee Roth

    "If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving is not for you"

    "Be careful what you wish for because you just might lose what you already have"

    "Women and Children First ... The REAL Van Halen III"

  13. #13
    Baluchitherium BOMBER's Avatar
    Join Date
    02.13.03
    Age
    43
    Location
    melbourne australia
    Posts
    4,329
    Favorite VH Album

    Fair Warning/FUCK
    Favorite VH Song

    As Is
    Last Online

    08.21.17 @ 12:46 AM
    Likes
    0
    Liked 15 Times in 6 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by brownnation View Post
    The only thing I would say for sure in my opinion is that Future in the Past is hands down better than anything on BOBW. After that it gets to be a little tougher comparison. I'd probably still take most of the CF album.

    I did not like the 3 VH tracks when they came out, but like some of you said, they have grown on me. But the CF album just does it for me and, if this makes sense, it just seems more "real". I had no interest in '04 songs or tour b/c I just smelled BS. I don't think it was a shining moment for anyone involved. That could bias me a little against those songs, but I'll stick by CF and the sound and feel they got on that album.
    Agree totally,Future In The Past is awesome.
    E.F.C - 1897
    1901,11,12,23,24,42,46,49,50,62,65,84,85,93
    2000,14.

  14. #14
    Atomic Punk Bad to the Bone's Avatar
    Join Date
    03.05.02
    Age
    45
    Location
    Detroit MI
    Posts
    8,957
    Favorite VH Album

    FUCK or 5150
    Favorite VH Song

    Mine All Mine, 5150
    Last Online

    12.16.17 @ 08:39 AM
    Likes
    1,067
    Liked 1,885 Times in 1,102 Posts

    Default

    IAT only sounds like VH at a few points otherwise I think it's just an average song. I don't think it is as good a song as AR, Turnin Left or FITP...hell I like SOAR alot better than IAT, DTD is funner.

    I don't know, I dont' agree with the OP at all in this case.

  15. #15
    Atomic Punk Dave's Dreidel's Avatar
    Join Date
    01.10.05
    Age
    47
    Location
    Kate Upton's Closet
    Posts
    37,924
    Favorite VH Album

    Alex, Dave, Ed and Mike
    Favorite VH Song

    The songs with Ed on them
    Last Online

    12.16.17 @ 06:36 AM
    Likes
    3,510
    Liked 18,161 Times in 8,975 Posts

    Default

    LOL, on the Youtube clips.

    Had not seen the one with Stevie Wonder, that was damn funny.

    I will take anything on Chickenfoot over the three new tracks on BOBW.
    Taylor Swift is nice to look at. Adele can sing.

    Emperor Brett - "I can't believe you guys are analyzing song-by-song Van Halen III? What next, analyzing the script of Stroker Ace looking for some shred of Citizen Kane?"

    David Lee Roth did the impossible. He made Van Halen better. Deal with it!

    Preferred pronouns: he/him/his

    Hurricane Halen - Let's all gingery touch our sword tips!!!

    DONATE TO THE LINKS YA CHEAP BASTARDS!!!!

 

 

Similar Threads

  1. Chickenfoot 5-28-09 NY
    By voa38 in forum Bootleg Network
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 06.12.09, 07:10 PM
  2. CNN: Chickenfoot
    By voivod in forum Chickenfoot
    Replies: 39
    Last Post: 06.09.09, 09:56 PM
  3. Chickenfoot
    By voa38 in forum Bootleg Network
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 03.23.09, 01:31 PM
  4. Long time lurker, first time poster...
    By Shy Stacey in forum VH Fans Meeting Place (Non-Music)
    Replies: 40
    Last Post: 09.29.05, 02:20 PM
  5. Time to reset the mood fans, (photo time)
    By Eddymon in forum Main VH Discussion
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 09.15.02, 05:53 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •