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    VIENNA – Iran experts at the U.N nuclear monitoring agency believe Tehran has the ability to make a nuclear bomb and worked on developing a missile system that can carry an atomic warhead, according to a confidential report seen by The Associated Press.

    The document drafted by senior officials at the International Atomic Energy Agency is the clearest indication yet that those officials share Washington's views on Iran's weapon-making capabilities and missile technology — even if they have not made those views public.

    The document, titled "Possible Military Dimension of Iran's Nuclear Program," appeared to be the so-called IAEA "secret annex" on Iran's alleged nuclear arms program that the U.S., France, Israel and other IAEA members say is being withheld by agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei — claims the nuclear watchdog denies.

    It is a record of IAEA findings since the agency began probing Iran's nuclear program in 2007 and has been continuously updated.

    The information in the document that is either new, more detailed or represents a more forthright conclusion than found in published IAEA reports includes:

    • The IAEA's assessment that Iran worked on developing a chamber inside a ballistic missile capable of housing a warhead payload "that is quite likely to be nuclear."

    • That Iran engaged in "probable testing" of explosives commonly used to detonate a nuclear warhead — a method known as a "full-scale hemispherical explosively driven shock system."

    • An assessment that Iran worked on developing a system "for initiating a hemispherical high explosive charge" of the kind used to help spark a nuclear blast.

    In another key finding, an excerpt notes: "The agency ... assesses that Iran has sufficient information to be able to design and produce a workable implosion nuclear device (an atomic bomb) based on HEU (highly enriched uranium) as the fission fuel."

    ElBaradei said in 2007 there was no "concrete evidence" that Iran was engaged in atomic weapons work — a source of friction with the United States, which has sought a hard-line stance on Tehran's nuclear ambitions.

    Responding to the AP report, the agency did not deny the existence of a confidential record of its knowledge and assessment of Iran's alleged attempts to make nuclear weapons. But an agency statement said the IAEA "has no concrete proof that there is or has been a nuclear weapon program in Iran."

    It cited ElBaradei as telling the agency's 35-nation governing board last week that "continuing allegations that the IAEA was withholding information on Iran are politically motivated and totally baseless."

    "Information from a variety of sources ... is critically assessed by a team of experts working collectively in accordance with the agency's practices," it said.

    "The IAEA reiterates that all relevant information and assessments that have gone through the above process have already been provided to the IAEA Board of Governors in reports of the director general."

    The document traces Iran's nuclear arms ambitions as far back as 1984, when current supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was president and Iran was at war with Iraq.

    At a top-level meeting at that time, according to the document, Khamenei endorsed a nuclear weapons program, saying "a nuclear arsenal would serve Iran as a deterrent in the hands of God's soldiers."

    He and other top Iranian leaders insist their country is opposed to nuclear weapons, describing them as contrary to Islam. They argue that Iran's uranium enrichment program and other activities are strictly for civilian purposes.

    Senior U.S. government officials have for years held the view that Iran has the expertise to make a bomb.

    The Obama administration said Thursday it was scrapping a Bush-era plan for a missile defense shield in Eastern Europe. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the decision came after U.S. intelligence concluded that Iran's short- and medium-range missiles were developing more rapidly than previously projected and now pose a greater near-term threat than the intercontinental ballistic missiles addressed by the plan under former President George W. Bush.

    The AP saw two versions of the U.N. document — one running 67 pages that was described as being between six months and a year old, and the most recent one with more than 80 pages and growing because of constant updates. Both were tagged "confidential."

    A senior international official identified the document as one described by the U.S. and other IAEA member nations as a "secret annex" on Iran's nuclear program. The IAEA has called reports of a "secret annex" misinformation.

    The document is based on intelligence provided by member states, the agency's own investigations and input from outside nuclear arms experts under contract with the IAEA.

    Iran is under three sets of U.N. Security Council sanctions for refusing to freeze enrichment, the key to making both nuclear fuel and weapons-grade uranium. It is blocking IAEA attempts to probe allegations based on U.S., Israeli and other intelligence that it worked on a nuclear weapons program.

    Iran recently agreed to meet Oct. 1 with the U.S. and five other world powers seeking curbs on its atomic activities for the first time in more than a year. But Tehran says it is not prepared to discuss its nuclear activities.

    Presented with excerpts from the earlier paper, the senior international official said some of the wording and conclusions were outdated because they had been updated as recently as several weeks ago by IAEA experts probing Iran for signs it was — or is — hiding work on developing nuclear arms.

    At the same time, he confirmed the accuracy of the excerpts, including Khamenei's comments, as well as the IAEA assessment that Iran already had the expertise to make a nuclear bomb and was well-positioned to develop ways of equipping missiles with atomic warheads.

    An official from one of the 150 IAEA member nations who showed the AP the older version of the document said much of the information in it has either never been published or, if so, in less direct language within ElBaradei's periodic Iran reports first circulated to the agency's board and released to the public. That was confirmed by the senior international official.

    The officials providing the information both insisted on anonymity because of the confidentiality of the document, which they said was meant to be seen only by ElBaradei and his top lieutenants.

    In the case of Khamenei, there is only an oblique reference in the annex to ElBaradei's Iran report of May 26, 2008, saying the agency had asked Tehran for "information about a high level meeting in 1984 on reviving Iran's pre-revolution nuclear program."

    The international official said the Iranians denied that Khamenei backed the concept of nuclear weapons for his country.

    The agency said earlier this year that Iran had produced more than 1,000 kilograms — 2,200 pounds — of low-enriched, or fuel-grade, uranium. That is more than enough to produce sufficient highly enriched uranium for one weapon, should Iran choose to do so, and its enrichment capacities have expanded since then.

    The document concludes that while Iran is not yet able to equip its Shahab-3 medium-range missile with nuclear warheads, "it is likely that Iran will overcome problems," noting that "from the evidence presented to the agency, it is possible to suggest that ... Iran has conducted R&D (research and development) into producing a prototype system."

    The Shahab-3 missile has a range of up to 1,250 miles (2,000 kilometers), putting Israel within striking distance, and is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead.

    The document also says Iran already could trigger a nuclear blast through "methods of unconventional delivery" such as in a container on a cargo ship or carried on the trailer of a truck.

    ElBaradei last month urged Iran to cooperate with IAEA efforts to probe allegations of a weapons program.

    That Aug. 28 report noted that the information on Tehran's alleged weapons program shared by board members "need to be addressed by Iran with a view to removing the doubts ... about the exclusively peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear program."

    But in an indication that ElBaradei also is concerned, he departed from the cautious language characterizing his Iran reports last week.

    He told a closed meeting of the IAEA board that if the intelligence on Iran's alleged weapons program experiments is genuine, "there is a high probability that nuclear weaponization activities have taken place — but I should underline 'if' three times."

    The U.S., Israel, France and other nations critical of Iran's nuclear activities have for months said that ElBaradei was withholding a "secret annex" on Iran in the IAEA's electronic archives that they say goes far beyond the information and conclusions published by ElBaradei in his regular reports on Iran.

    French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner urged ElBaradei earlier this month to publish his confidential information, saying it contained "elements which enable us to ask about the reality of an atomic bomb." Israel's Haaretz daily cited unidentified government officials as demanding the same.

    Asked about the discrepancy between the agency denial that it was withholding information and the existence of the document, the senior international official said the report was at this point an "internal and constantly changing" record of what the IAEA knows and concludes about Iran. As such, he said, circulating it, even only to IAEA board members, would be counterproductive.

    Only after the agency has concluded its investigation and drawn final conclusions would it share the information with the board, he said, adding that he could not say when that would be.
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    Sooner or later, the North Koreans will be able to offer for sale the long-range missile and the miniaturization needed, and then I'm afraid we'll see some shit hitting the proverbial fan.

    Putin, laughing, spreads his wings.......

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    Iran Nuclear Scientist Defects to U.S. In CIA 'Intelligence Coup'
    Shahram Amiri Disappeared Last June in Saudi Arabia, Reportedly Now Resettled in the United States

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    March 30, 2010 —

    An award-winning Iranian nuclear scientist, who disappeared last year under mysterious circumstances, has defected to the CIA and been resettled in the United States, according to people briefed on the operation by intelligence officials.

    The officials were said to have termed the defection of the scientist, Shahram Amiri, "an intelligence coup" in the continuing CIA operation to spy on and undermine Iran's nuclear program.

    A spokesperson for the CIA declined to comment. In its declassified annual report to Congress, the CIA said, "Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons though we do not know whether Tehran eventually will decide to produce nuclear weapons."

    Amiri, a nuclear physicist in his early 30s, went missing last June three days after arriving in Saudi Arabia on a pilgrimage, according to the Iranian government. He worked at Tehran's Malek Ashtar University, which is closely connected to Iran's Revolutionary Guard, according to the Associated Press.

    "The significance of the coup will depend on how much the scientist knew in the compartmentalized Iranian nuclear program," said former White House counter-terrorism official Richard Clarke, an ABC News consultant. "Just taking one scientist out of the program will not really disrupt it."

    Iran's Foreign Minister, Manouchehr Mottaki, and other Iranian officials last year blamed the U.S. for "kidnapping" Amiri, but his whereabouts had remained a mystery until now.

    According to the people briefed on the intelligence operation, Amiri's disappearance was part of a long-planned CIA operation to get him to defect. The CIA reportedly approached the scientist in Iran through an intermediary who made an offer of resettlement on behalf of the United States.

    Since the late 1990s, the CIA has attempted to recruit Iranian scientists and officials through contacts made with relatives living in the United States, according to former U.S. intelligence officials. Case officers have been assigned to conduct hundreds of interviews with Iranian-Americans in the Los Angeles area in particular, the former officials said.

    Amiri has been extensively debriefed since his defection by the CIA, according to the people briefed on the situation. They say Amiri helped to confirm U.S. intelligence assessments about the Iranian nuclear program.

    In September, President Barack Obama announced the U.S., the United Kingdom and France had evidence that Iran "has been building a covert uranium enrichment facility near Qom for several years."

    One Iranian web site reported that Amiri had worked at the Qum facility prior to his defection.

    The New York Times reported Saturday that international inspectors and Western intelligence agencies suspect "Tehran is preparing to build more sites in defiance of United Nations demands."

    Officials at Iran's mission to the United Nations did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

    "The Americans are definitely letting the Iranians know that they are active in going after Iran's nuclear program," said Hooman Majd, an Iranian-American journalist.

    A colleague of Amiri's at Tehran University called the disappearance "a disturbing sign" and blamed the Saudis for helping the U.S., according government-approved English-language web site Press TV.

    "The Saudi regime has effectively discredited itself and will be seen by those who know what has gone on in the region as being confined to American demands and effectively abiding by American wishes," said Mohammad Marandi, a Tehran University professor, according to the Iranian web site.
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    Well if George W Bush was in office, we'd invade
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    They're just priming the public for an Israeli strike against nuke targets in Iran,, and what's then to follow.

    Then it's most likely all out war and the US is preparing the public for that by ratcheting up the Iranian nuke story.

    If some trumped up bullshit about canisters of anthrax was good enough for us to invade Iraq then Iran producing nukes is all the greater reason to attack Iran next, especially when war's already broken out and missiles are raining down on Israel.


    God help all of us whatever it is.



    One thing's for sure. Israel will be blowing the shit out of some Iranian targets any day now. They're ready to roll, and will do it before Iran's sweet new anti-aircraft missile defense system arrives from Russia as promised.




    A Moscow official was quoted by Israel Radio as saying that the deal to supply Iran with the S-300 anti-missile defense system would go ahead. During a recent visit by Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to the country, Moscow promised not to implement a deal to sell the system after Netanyahu convinced the Russians that such a move would destabilize the region.

    The S-300 is considered the best system of its kind today and can engage multiple targets at once.

    Israel views Iranian deployment of the system as a serious obstacle to any potential aerial attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities.
    http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/N...aspx?id=170332



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    i'm not concerned at all.

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    fuck it let em make one!! we have more! always have always will, and if they even think of putting their finger on the button for that one nuke that will give us a reason to do what shoulda been done long ago to that whole reigon!! make one u dumb fucks i dare u!

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    i'm not concerned at all.
    You just want the rest of the world to blow itself up so that when the ash all settles then Canada and Sweden can take their rightful places as the new global superpowers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamvhcornell View Post
    fuck it let em make one!! we have more! always have always will, and if they even think of putting their finger on the button for that one nuke that will give us a reason to do what shoulda been done long ago to that whole reigon!! make one u dumb fucks i dare u!
    I don't agree with this. I have Iranian friends in Iran. I like them.
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    As wruff said earlier: Just a little priming going on. Nukes or no nukes, Israel and the US has been itching for too long not to scratch.

    There's gold in them thar hills. etc
    A man could lose himself in a country like this.

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    I wonder if irradiated oil will improve my gas mileage...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombattt View Post
    Well if George W Bush was in office, we'd invade
    Now we'll offer free health insurance plans to them instead...
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    I'm not worried. I hear the person who might be building them this bomb goes by the name of Dr. Emmett Brown.

    He's going to use a shoddy bombshell casing filled with used pinball machine parts!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVic View Post
    I wonder if irradiated oil will improve my gas mileage...
    No. But it most certainly will make domestic, non-irradiated oil much more expensive. Which Bond movie was it that the plot was to irradiate all the gold in Fort Knox? Goldfinger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy 150 View Post
    No. But it most certainly will make domestic, non-irradiated oil much more expensive. Which Bond movie was it that the plot was to irradiate all the gold in Fort Knox? Goldfinger?

    Oilfinger doesn't quite roll off the tongue, does it?
    Sounds like a porno.

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