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    Default Federal Proposal Would Spend $154 Million on Vehicle Tracking Tax

    This is fucking nuts... How about reduce government spending???
    Save the planet and drive hybrids, OOPS, now we have to fucking tax vehicle miles traveled as well because of less fuel tax revenue...


    A Member of Congress proposes to use taxpayer money to fund the development of technology to track motorists as part of a new form of taxation. US Representative Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon) introduced H.R. 3311 earlier this year to appropriate $154,500,000 for research and study into the transition to a per-mile vehicle tax system. The “Road User Fee Pilot Project” would be administered by the US Treasury Department. This agency in turn would issue millions in taxpayer-backed grants to well-connected commercial manufacturers of tolling equipment to help develop the required technology. Within eighteen months of the measure’s passage, the department would file an initial report outlining the best methods for adopting the new federal transportation tax.

    “Oregon has successfully tested a Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT) fee, and it is time to expand and test the VMT program across the country,” Blumenauer said in a statement on the bill’s introduction. “A VMT system can better assess fees based on use of our roads and bridges, as well as during times of peak congestion, than a fee based on fuel consumption. It is time to get creative and find smart ways to rebuild and renew America’s deteriorating infrastructure.”

    In 2006, the Oregon Department of Transportation completed its own study of how to collect revenue from motorists with a new form of tax that, like the existing fuel excise tax, imposes a greater charge on drivers the more that they drive. The pilot project’s final report summed up the need for a VMT tax.

    “Unfortunately, there is a growing perception among members of the public and legislators that fuel taxes have little to do with road programs and therefore should be considered ‘just another form of taxation,’” the March 2006 report stated. “By itself, this situation appears to be preventing any increases in fuel tax rates from being put into effect.”

    The money diverted from the fuel excise tax on non-road related projects must be made up for with a brand new VMT tax, the report argued. Merely indexing the gas tax to inflation or improvements in fleet gas mileage was rejected as “imprecise.” Instead, the report urged a mandate for all drivers to install GPS tracking devices that would report driving habits to roadside Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) scanning devices.

    Blumenauer is a long-time advocate of bicycling and mass transit in Congress. Many of his largest campaign donors stand to benefit from his newly introduced legislation. Honeywell International, for example, is a major manufacturer RFID equipment. The company also happens to be the second biggest contributor in the current cycle to Blumenauer’s Political Action Committee (PAC), the Committee for a Livable Future. Another top-ten donor, Accenture, is a specialist in the video tolling field.

    H.R. 3311 awaits a hearing in the House Ways and Means Committee. A copy of the bill is available in a 170k PDF file at the source link below.

    http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2009/us-hr3311.pdf
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    yep, this was making the rounds not too long ago on a state level. I think it was Oregon that had a bill going round. The supporters kept citing examples like "little old ladies" that never drive and people that own cars but use buses and carpool and saying that these people should not have to pay the same amount of taxes as those who are on the roads a lot more. They said the only fair way to assess taxes for things like maintenance and construction of roads and bridges would be to tax people based on how much they used them.

    Supporters also compared it to things like utilities and long distance telephone where people who use the service more have to pay more. There is a problem with this analogy. The TAXES placed on telephone, cable, utilities etc are equal across the board. The increase in cost to the consumer is based on how much of the service they consume. So in essence, people would be charged to drive on the roads.
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    If you drive a car, I'll tax the street;
    If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat;
    If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat;
    If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

    Taxman!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Down In Flames View Post
    If you drive a car, I'll tax the street;
    If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat;
    If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat;
    If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

    Taxman!

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    Was just reading an article about them wanting to do this in Florida in the Orlando Sentinel the other day, and while it seems to make sense in theory (you use the road more, you pay more), I don't know that there's a way to administer it fairly. I don't know how the program in Oregon is going, but if you're only doing it on an individual state basis, how do you collect from out of staters? Some one from New York snowbirds in Miami for the winter, they get to drive all over the place without paying a dime because their car is registered in New York and so they don't have a Florida transponder? At least with the gas tax, you get everyone that pulls up to the pump, regardless of where they're from, or whether they're putting the gas in an automobile (or filling a container that will be used on their lawn mower or boat - neither of which will be using the roads.). And if it's nationwide, you know within months there'll be "helpful" websites on disabling the device - some people will do it full time, smart people will do it just before a long trip. And what about if you're shipping your car across country on a truck? Is it going to rack up the miles even though it's not touching the road?

    The best thing to do to ensure the funds to finance our infrastructure is to use 100% of the money collected for highway maintenance on highway maintenance. Still keep reading about how there's too much of that money that gets diverted to other non-highway related things.

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    and look where we are today... the tax (enemy) within... independence?


    People came to America seeking religious independence and economic success. Instead, British rule prevented them from experiencing freedom in taxation, land ownership, and government.

    Without consideration of the colonists, the British established several "Acts" of taxation. The first act, the Sugar Act, placed taxes on molasses brought into the colonies. It was aimed at the successful sugar plantation owners.

    The second act was the Stamp Act. It created a tax on newspapers, legal documents and other printed matter. The Townshend Acts taxed lead, paper, paint and tea. Parliament repealed all the taxes, except the tax on tea, which led to the Intolerable Acts. These Acts increased the power of British royal governor and required the colonist to house and feed British soldiers.

    The colonist argued against all British laws. They especially argued against being taxed. This led to the famous slogan: "Taxation without representation is Tyranny."

    The Quartering Act ruled that colonists must provide British troops with housing and supplies, a mandate, the colonists perceived as a intrusion of their property rights. In addition, the British announced a proclamation prohibiting American colonists from settling west of the Appalachian Mountains, until treaties with Indians opened up the area.

    There were many years when the Colonists were ignored by Britain. The colonists became accustomed to the laws they created themselves. When the British discovered the colonists did not obey their laws and instead were governing themselves, they tried to enforce the old laws. By the late 1700's the colonists had enough of British rule and war broke out. The Revolutionary War lasted for several years and resulted in independence for America.

    In 1783, they defeated the British, and signed the Treaty of Paris. This treaty gave the new nation rights to almost all the territory between the Appalachian and the Mississippi River. This began a new time of settlement, independence, and disappearance of British discrimination of American settlers.
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    It's nothing more than a proposal, and it will get shot down just like the majority of proposals. No reason to get all up in arms.

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