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    Default Different Take on the "Beat It" Sessions

    Here is an interview with Steve Lukather about teh "Beat It" sessions that seems to contradict some of the myths that surround these sessions, such as Eddie changing the structure of the song, asking Quincy Jones if he could record over the verse instead of chorus, the stupid myth about the knocking on the door and a few others....

    Some things that stood out for me:

    - Eddie cut the two inch tape and they had to completely re put the song together from scratch,
    - Quincy Jones was never at the recording session of Beat It
    - THe original version was too heavy for Jones (Woudl love to have heard that version)

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    That phone conversation story between Steve Lukather and MJ is the exact same story Eddie says happened to him when Quincy Jones called him!!

    Eddie said that in guitar world Feb 1990 issue.

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    Nice! Great find, Glenn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenninaus View Post
    - Eddie cut the two inch tape and they had to completely re put the song together from scratch,

    - THe original version was too heavy for Jones (Woudl love to have heard that version)
    - Maybe that's why he never got paid!

    - No kidding. Ditto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybeane View Post
    That phone conversation story between Steve Lukather and MJ is the exact same story Eddie says happened to him when Quincy Jones called him!!

    Eddie said that in guitar world Feb 1990 issue.

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    I've seen interviews with Jones, recently brought up because of MJ's death, that confirms both the telephone conversation story AND the story of Ed's suggesting he solo over a different section of the song than Quincy had initially intended.
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    So the question is who to believe, Lukather or Ed? Gee I wonder.
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    Guys...I'll go on record as being the absolute LAST "Ed apologist" on this site, but at face value, has it occured to anyone that maybe BOTH Ed and Steve have their stories straight?

    Imagine:

    It's 1983...Quincy Jones/Michael Jackson call EACH of them?!? Quincy, as the producer, would have a little more pull (possibly) in Ed's eyes (who's NEVER been a "session player") while MJ could phone up Luke in a minute to drop in to do some session work without a second thought.

    It's NOT too far fetched to believe that BOTH Ed and Steve would react the SAME way. NO ONE would be expecting QJ and MJ to call up each of them to guest on a predominantly R&B project.

    Maybe QJ (and/or MJ) have a vision for a harder-hitting "crossover" single. EVERYONE knows that (at the time) Lukather is THE best session player around, period...and that "Luke and Ed are tight." So, why not? If you get Luke in for a session, maybe (as a bonus) you get his good friend, and THE GREATEST guitarist on the planet (at that time) to come in and lay a few runs down for you.

    Why not? What do you have to lose?

    ...then again, we all know where Ed's side of "the truth" lies, so what do I know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    So the question is who to believe, Lukather or Ed? Gee I wonder.
    Bizarre. The guy just keeps disapointing me.
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    Well Quincy verified the conversation he had with Eddie on a VH1 special a couple years back when they were doing a Biography style thing on him. That's the first I ever heard of Eddie cutting the tape and fucking the sync track! This does happen though. (not sure what Ed was doing cutting) It happened to Zeppelin most notably from what I remember during the mastering for Physical Graffiti. I believe it was Glyn Johns that screwed up, and a guy by the name of Hayward, managed to save the tracks by manually syncing them up. Imagine that task given all of Pages overdubs on that album! Something similar also happened on Zeppelin 3, on Celebration Day. A tape was mislabeled, and they recorded over it accidentally. and they lost the whole beginning of the song, and due to time constraints, they had to use that keyboard drone at the end of Friends and run it into the intro of Celebration Day rather then take the time to re-record the intro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLEEPER5150 View Post
    Well Quincy verified the conversation he had with Eddie on a VH1 special a couple years back when they were doing a Biography style thing on him. That's the first I ever heard of Eddie cutting the tape and fucking the sync track! This does happen though. (not sure what Ed was doing cutting) It happened to Zeppelin most notably from what I remember during the mastering for Physical Graffiti. I believe it was Glyn Johns that screwed up, and a guy by the name of Hayward, managed to save the tracks by manually syncing them up. Imagine that task given all of Pages overdubs on that album! Something similar also happened on Zeppelin 3, on Celebration Day. A tape was mislabeled, and they recorded over it accidentally. and they lost the whole beginning of the song, and due to time constraints, they had to use that keyboard drone at the end of Friends and run it into the intro of Celebration Day rather then take the time to re-record the intro.
    ...and if I remember correctly, Bonzo was gone from the studio and so they had no drummer to redo that intro.

    Anyway, the story of the call to Ed has been verified by both Quincy and MJ, so I don't know what the issue is there. Luke was doing a lot of coke around 83-84, so maybe HE was the one who cut the tape. And maybe he was so coked out of his gourd he doesn't remember seeing Quincy there.

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