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    Default Hugo Chavez Gets Red-Carpet Treatment In Venice, Hangs With Oliver Stone

    They were hangin' out and fist-bumpin'! What the...?!?

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    Chavez gets red-carpet treatment in Venice

    VENICE, Italy - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez received a movie star welcome Monday at the Venice Film Festival, where he walked the red carpet with director Oliver Stone for the premiere of the documentary "South of the Border."

    Hundreds of admirers, some chanting "president, president," gathered outside of the Casino for the leader's arrival. Chavez threw a flower into the crowd and touched his heart, and at one point took a photographer's camera to snap a picture himself.

    Security outside the Casino was tightened in advance of Chavez's arrival with military police checking bags.

    Stone says "South of the Border" is meant to illustrate "the sweeping changes" in South America in recent years as a direct counterpoint to what some say is Chavez's depiction as a dictator by U.S. and European media.

    Stone spent extensive time with Chavez for the 75-minute documentary, which is premiering at the Venice Film Festival on Monday, and also interviewed the leaders of Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia, Cuba and Paraguay, whom Stone said "are on the same page" as Chavez.

    "He's a guy you should meet and get to know. ... He's the star of the movie," Stone said in an interview before the premiere.

    Stone said he wanted to illustrate changes that put leaders in many South American countries in power who represent the majority of their populations, a movement started with Chavez. He cited Bolivian President Evo Morales, the first Indian to be elected president, and Brazil's Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, a well-known trade unionist.

    "If you look now, there are seven presidents, eight countries with Chile, that are really moving away from the Washington consensus control," Stone said. "But in America, they don't get that story."

    Stone was invited to Venezuela to meet Chavez for the first time during the Venezuelan leader's aborted rescue mission of Colombian hostages held by FARC rebels. The mission was aborted, but Stone said the Chavez he met was different than some U.S. media depictions.

    He returned in January to interview Chavez, and continued on to four other countries to interview Chavez's allies, with Cuban and Ecuadorean leaders joining him in Paraguay.

    Stone is best known for his dramas, but he also has made four documentaries, including "Comandante," the 2003 documentary based on a meeting with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which the director says in many ways led him to Chavez.

    "I used the real man," Stone said. "I hope you realize how dynamic he is in the movie. What I like about the film is you see how sincere he is on camera. You don't see a guy who is a phony. He's not a dictator."

    Stone had said he spent "several hours here and there" with Chavez. The movie shows him at Chavez's enormous desk and visiting the president's childhood home, where he rides into the frame on a child's bicycle, which breaks under his weight. He immediately offers to pay for it. Footage also shows Chavez driving his own vehicle and stopping to greet supporters.

    Stone said he didn't see it necessary to present the opposition's case in his film.

    "A dark side? There's a dark side to everything. Why do you seek out the dark side when the guy is doing good things?" Stone asked. "He is a democrat and there is opposition to him, and he's not perfect. But he is doing tremendous things for Venezuela and the region."

    Stone concedes that Chavez "says things unnecessary to provoke. I think he doesn't have to do that." But he said his opinion of Chavez only improved during the making of the documentary.

    "People forget that he cut the poverty rate by one half," Stone said. "People in Venezuela are getting an education, they are getting health care and welfare. He actually delivered on what he said he would."

    The movie's screenwriter is Tariq Ali, the British-Pakistani historian who most recently wrote "Pirates of the Caribbean: Axis of Hope" and it was produced by Fernando Sulichin. Stone also was advised by economist Mark Weisbrot of the Center for Economic and Policy Research.

    "South of the Border" is showing out of competition at the Venice Film Festival, which ends Saturday with the awarding of the Golden Lion.

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    I always feel a bit awkward about celebrities hanging out with politcians, but I will say that South America is slowly moving away from being a collection of failed states to becoming one of the next world powerhouses.

    A brief look at the history of the whole continent in the twentieth century should shame most of us from the west, the majority of those dictators being installed or supported by us. Now that true democracy is springing up, the west criticizes them and unbelievably calls them dictators.

    The irony is almost breath-taking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by graeme View Post
    I always feel a bit awkward about celebrities hanging out with politcians, but I will say that South America is slowly moving away from being a collection of failed states to becoming one of the next world powerhouses.

    A brief look at the history of the whole continent in the twentieth century should shame most of us from the west, the majority of those dictators being installed or supported by us. Now that true democracy is springing up, the west criticizes them and unbelievably calls them dictators.

    The irony is almost breath-taking.
    in another generation or so, as central and south america begin to figure out how to neutralize some of the savagery and backwards thinking that poisons certain parts of (MS 13 type gangs and the political puppets in power throughout) they will most certainly begin to evolve into a world power. There's been so much infighting, so much corruption so much destructive and manipulitive policies imposed by the US that the continent is just now beginning to find its way. Eventually they will rise the way we're seeing China rise to power now...though I doubt we will see such militant communism define the Latin American countries.
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    You are right broken. And lest we forget; savagery, corruption etc usually stem from a need or external influence rather than innate evil on the part of the perpetrators.

    I honestly used to think that people in South America and Africa were probably just naturally fucking nuts and that is why their continents are so messed up. A little research made me realise the error of my ways. They are fucking nuts, but not naturally. They have had to be. The (previously oppostion) politicians perhaps even more so.

    People like Chavez and Morales, whether or not we like their personalities, ARE improving the lives of their countrymen. They get such bad press because they are refusing to line the pockets of big western governments and multi-nationals.

    It will not surprise me in the least when one of these new group of South American leaders is assassinated and then a new, more pro-western leader appears on the scene.

    No doubt. History will repeat itself.
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    Wow, guess I have a lot of research and learning to do. I'll have to get back with U on this one.

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    How is limiting free speech, arresting opposition leaders , and closing private radio and TV stations "Helping" the people?

    Chavez needs to go. He's fucking up the oil industry in his country by getting his cronies key jobs in the companies that he's seized. Productiion is down because they don't know what they're doing. Instead of "Helping" his people he's only helping some of his people. Worse, he's spending billions on Russian weapons, which will ultimately end up with the US destroying them.
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    I guess he means he got the minimum wage to go from probably less than $1/hr to something higher, get kids in school instead of working in the factories or being sold, healthcare, etc. Definitely more important than the oil industry profits.

    Still doesn't make the guy perfect. Shades of gray.
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    Here is what I don't understand. A lot of Hollywood loves Communist or Socialist leaders and programs. However you never see any of them living in one of these places where they would be taxed at 60% or see their rights being curtailed.

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    Very interesting documentary on Hugo Chavez.

    PBS FRONTLINE - The Hugo Chavez Show
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ez/view/1.html


    Well worth watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    Here is what I don't understand. A lot of Hollywood loves Communist or Socialist leaders and programs. However you never see any of them living in one of these places where they would be taxed at 60% or see their rights being curtailed.
    Um, who loves Hugo in Hollywood?

    The PBS link after your post is what many would consider a very "liberal," left wing attack and criticism of Hugofuckyourself Chavez as he's a phony demagogue...

    We (as in the CIA under Bush) tried to overthrow Hugo in a military coup after he was democratically elected whilst "spreading democracy" around the world....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Um, who loves Hugo in Hollywood?
    <--- We can dream, right?







    There's much love for this scumbag in Hollywood.

    Stone is simply the latest liberal to whore himself out for the anti-Semite, antigay anti-American dictator. Then again, when you do as much coke as Stone you need good connections and Chavez has them in FARC.

    We (as in the CIA under Bush) tried to overthrow Hugo in a military coup after he was democratically elected whilst "spreading democracy" around the world....
    Just another instance where Bush failed us. lol
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    Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in Context'
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    Director Oliver Stone belittled the Holocaust during a shocking interview with the Sunday Times today, claiming that America's focus on the Jewish massacre was a product of the "Jewish domination of the media."

    The director also defended Hitler and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and railed against the "powerful lobby" of Jews in America.

    Stone said that his upcoming Showtime documentary series "Secret History of America," seeks to put Hitler and Communist dictator Joseph Stalin "in context."

    "Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr Frankenstein. German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support," Stone told reporter Camilla Long during the interview, which can be found behind the paywall on the Sunday Times' website.

    Stone said that, "Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30 [million killed]."

    The Sunday Times interviewer then asked why there was such a focus on the Holocaust.

    "The Jewish domination of the media," responded Stone. "There's a major lobby in the United States. They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has f***** up United States foreign policy for years."

    The director, who recently met with Iranian President Ahmadinejad, also slammed the U.S. policy toward Iran as "horrible."

    "Iran isn't necessarily the good guy," said Stone. "[B]ut we don't know the full story!"

    The Scarface screenwriter had even more encouraging words for socialist Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez, who Stone called "a brave, blunt, earthy" man. The director has recently been promoting his Chavez-praising documentary called "South of the Border."

    When the interviewer pointed out that Chavez has had a less-than-stellar record on human rights, Stone immediately dismissed the criticism.

    "The internet's fully free [in Venezuela]," said Stone. "You can say what the hell you like. Compare it with all the other countries: Mexico, Guatemala, above all Colombia, which is a joke."

    While Stone has not been as blunt about his views on Jews and the Holocaust in the past, he has been outspoken in his fondness for Chavez and his disagreements with the U.S.'s policy on Iran.

    On ABC's Good Morning America on July 28, the director told anchor George Stephanopoulos that he "absolutely" believes Chavez is a good person, and claimed that there was "there's no pattern of censorship in this country [Venezuela]."

    Stone also said that if the U.S. pursued sanctions against Iran, "it's going to be like North Vietnam again."

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    Hey Oliver you didn't say anything good about Mussolini ,Mao, or Tojo? I had a business aquaintance who once said to me that Hitler was a good guy who had alot of bad people around him. I cut my ties with him ASAP. Go fuck yourself Ollie!
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    wow... so... What does Oliver Stone have coming out that he's now trying to get "publicity" for...

    ahh... ok..

    http://southoftheborderdoc.com/


    I see now...


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