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    Floyd Question - Them New Fangled Collars

    So I finally got rid of some of the guitars I wanted to dump, and I bought one of those new Charvel So Cals. Purdy cool.

    Anyway my question is with these new OFR's, this one has a screw collar instead of what I'm used to on my old vintage ones. I like the bar to swing free (like I am sure most of us do) and I would just loosen the whole contraption and the bar would swing freely. On these new collar ones, it seems the only way to have the bar swing free is to not tighten the collar all the way on. Is that right?

    I don't like that if that is the only way. #1 it squeaks like a bitch. #2 I don't like that the threads are having something going back and forth on them constantly, maybe they'll strip I don't know, why take chances. And #3 I'm worried it's going to get loose when I'm playing.

    So is that the only way to have the bar swing free on the collar Floyds?

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    Is that the one that has an Allen key accessible from the back plate?
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    Yeah but that doesn't do jack, I loosened the thing all the way out back there. Unless I'm missing something.
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    I've wondered the same damn thing about the OFRs. I've got a couple of them on new custom guitars, and the only way the bar will swing free is if the bushing is loosened a little. What gives?

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    Dude those collar ones blow. You know I have an older OFR on a guitar I want to get rid of, and I swapped out the old fashioned bar set up with this newer screw collar one, now the Charvel's Floyd works great, like an OFR bar should. I think you can actually still buy that bar setup, those screw collars are terrible! The only way to get the bar to spin is to back off a few turns from screwing it all the way on....STOOOPID! An older OFR trem bar, you just loosen the set up a little and it spins perfectly.
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    I was wondering about that myself - do any of you know whether the bar swings freely on the Frankenstein replicas issued by Fender? I thought that Eddie liked the bar to move an inch or more before he felt the spring tension. If the Fender ones do swing freely, I'd be curious as to how they did that. If someone can recommend where I can get the correct parts to make the trem work like it should, I'd love to know about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slick4772 View Post
    I was wondering about that myself - do any of you know whether the bar swings freely on the Frankenstein replicas issued by Fender? I thought that Eddie liked the bar to move an inch or more before he felt the spring tension. If the Fender ones do swing freely, I'd be curious as to how they did that. If someone can recommend where I can get the correct parts to make the trem work like it should, I'd love to know about it.
    I would bet they do, you just need to find the bar assembly that doesn't use that stupid collar with the allen screw at the bottom. You need to find the old setup where all you do is loosen it and it works exactly like Ed's. That's how I have ALL of my Floyds because they're older, they don't have those dumb collars. Well one does now, because I switched it.

    I'll look around some more online and see if I can find someone who sells the right one, NOT the gay ass collared ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I would bet they do, you just need to find the bar assembly that doesn't use that stupid collar with the allen screw at the bottom. You need to find the old setup where all you do is loosen it and it works exactly like Ed's. That's how I have ALL of my Floyds because they're older, they don't have those dumb collars. Well one does now, because I switched it.

    I'll look around some more online and see if I can find someone who sells the right one, NOT the gay ass collared ones.
    I blame Jackson for those damned collars! Their version of the Floyd they had around '87 was actually pretty good. They had a cool string lock that you pressed down to lock in the string to the saddle, but they had that same design collar that are on the current Floyds. They sounded real good though. I beleive they came with a brass block on the later models as well.
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    I also like my whammy bar to swing freely, and I have an OFR.... and, yes, it has fallen out at at least three gigs. Never at rehearsal -- only at gigs. Very annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I don't like that if that is the only way.
    #1 it squeaks like a bitch.
    The chrome they use effects the tolerences and makes for an extremely tight fit. I've even had bars that don't fit at all! The "fix" is to just grind off some of the plating on the end of the bar that goes in the threaded collar.
    If it squeaks, it's probably the same deal. Just take some sandpaper to the end of the bar and remove some of the plating and that should help eliminate any squeaks.

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    #2 I don't like that the threads are having something going back and forth on them constantly, maybe they'll strip I don't know, why take chances.
    There is NOTHING going "back and forth" on the threads ...
    The end of the bar (the part that squeaks ) is what rotates inside the threaded collar. The collar that's on the bar itself just helps prevent the bar from backing out of the hole.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    And #3 I'm worried it's going to get loose when I'm playing.

    So is that the only way to have the bar swing free on the collar Floyds?
    Thanks.
    You can try putting telflon tape on the threads.
    That may help provide a tighter fit and still enable the bar to swing freely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino5150 View Post
    The chrome they use effects the tolerences and makes for an extremely tight fit. I've even had bars that don't fit at all! The "fix" is to just grind off some of the plating on the end of the bar that goes in the threaded collar.
    If it squeaks, it's probably the same deal. Just take some sandpaper to the end of the bar and remove some of the plating and that should help eliminate any squeaks.

    There is NOTHING going "back and forth" on the threads ...
    The end of the bar (the part that squeaks ) is what rotates inside the threaded collar. The collar that's on the bar itself just helps prevent the bar from backing out of the hole.

    You can try putting telflon tape on the threads.
    That may help provide a tighter fit and still enable the bar to swing freely.
    Good info, Dino. Thanks!

 

 

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