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    Default Gary offered the VH gig back in '94???!!!!

    I'm amazed this have never been brought up before, but I've just been watching a Boston VH tv special from '98 and at the end of it, the interviewer says to Gary "So you were offered the gig, even back in '94". There could've been an answer but my copy cut out. I'd like to know more about this cause Ray Daniels took over in early '94, and not too long after Sammy was doing his "Unboxed" thing. It would'nt surprise me if Eddie was considering someone behind Sammys back. ....and lets not forget Ray was also managing Extreme. I was'nt overly shocked hearing it, cause it makes sense. Has anyone heard about this before?
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    This is the first I heard of that story but, yeah, it does sound like it could have happened considering the timeline and people involved.
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    never heard that either...especially considering that in 1994 Extreme was working on Waiting for the Punchline, Mangini had just joined, and they were about to embark on a tour. It wasn't until after that tour, in late 95/early 96 that it was announced they were splitting up and Nuno began touring off his quickly released first solo record.

    I'd like to know a bit more about this.
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    Someone else posted an interview link on here a while back regarding Gary, and 94' came up. At the time I chalked it up to a typo or editing error chronologically. I can say that this was most likely Ray pushing Gary on the brothers even then.It's no secret he had very little use for Hagar. Read some of the excerpts that Chef has posted from Sammy's book. There were also several interviews Ed gave stating that when he heard Gary's audition tapes when they were officially looking for a singer, that he did'nt feel he was the right fit for the band, actually describing him as bad in fact (Not the "good" kinda bad" either), and Ray kept on telling him to give him a chance, and once you meet him there will be no doubt about him as a lead singer. It was'nt until they actually met, hung out, and jammed that Ed felt it could work. pretty bad though knowing that. I'm no Sam, or Ed apologist either, but assuming his departure was being plotted by management and the fact that rumours get around real fast in the biz, Sammy must have felt like a man without a country back then.
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    Ray is a fucktard.
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    Hmmm... I don't see much potential for some positive things to come out of this thread. Maybe we should instead start a thread about the one time EVH helped an old lady cross the street or when Alex made a donation to some blind kids orphanage. Anyone? No?
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    And those Vh bros have been paying for it, ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Hmmm... I don't see much potential for some positive things to come out of this thread. Maybe we should instead start a thread about the one time EVH helped an old lady cross the street or when Alex made a donation to some blind kids orphanage. Anyone? No?
    Nah, as the stories would get distorted to the point that Ed had helped the old woman across the street by using the hood of his Ferrari, and that Alex was actually caught making an unauthorized donation to a sperm bank.

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    But the reality still is that by ditching Sammy in 96, Ed effectively destroyed Van Halen. Look at what it has been since. VH III was a commercial and critical failure and Warner Bros. dropped the band. Getting Sammy out was the worst mistake ever made by this band. Two reunion tours with almost no new music can't compare to the machine that was VH from 1978 to 1995.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLFHS View Post
    Ray is a fucktard.
    I always wondered if he is as bad as detailed in Sam's book excerpts, he's lasted so long with Rush. Sam's book even had him berating Geddy as a lead singer. They don't seem the sorts to put up with a lot of shenanigans.

    Maybe he just smelled a bigger paycheck with VH (who have always been on a different commercial level than Rush or Extreme).

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    Alex Van Halen, by all accounts the sanest of the two brothers, has gone public saying firing Sammy in 1996 was a mistake. Case closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Alex Van Halen, by all accounts the sanest of the two brothers, has gone public saying firing Sammy in 1996 was a mistake. Case closed.
    Which they followed up with an even bigger mistake by teasing the fanbase with a DLR reunion and then deciding to instead go with Gary. Hands down the worst bait & switch in the history of rock & roll.
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    Agreed. I was one of those let down by the whole switcheroo. 1996, definitely the date when the fall started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Agreed. I was one of those let down by the whole switcheroo. 1996, definitely the date when the fall started.
    I'll never forget that Summer of 1996. I honestly never had a problem with Sammy in Van Halen, but I was so happy when it appeared that Dave was back in the band. Talk about a letdown. The brothers couldn't have handled the whole Sammy/Dave/Gary fiasco any worse had they tried.
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    It started to go down hill, after Ed Leffler died, and Ray Daniels came in. The safety net had gone...........and "Balance" was an album we were lucky to have.
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