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    I think that, just as with 99.9% of all other rock bands, that's simply a function of youth.
    great point

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    I think it depends on when you first heard them.
    I had the first record in 1980. The first two records are the band I really liked.

    I can respect Pyro was a well done record but it was just a completely different band, too me.

    Since, High n' Dry, Too Late for Love and Hysteria are the only tunes I really dug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrideofPasadena View Post
    I think it depends on when you first heard them.
    I had the first record in 1980. The first two records are the band I really liked.

    I can respect Pyro was a well done record but it was just a completely different band, too me.

    Since, High n' Dry, Too Late for Love and Hysteria are the only tunes I really dug.
    The first 2 records are the band I loved also. They were part of the new British steel movement being ushered in by J Priest and Maiden. Seems like when they lost Pete Willis they lost their balls. Mutt helped turn them into bubblegum rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FW1981 View Post
    The first 2 records are the band I loved also. They were part of the new British steel movement being ushered in by J Priest and Maiden. Seems like when they lost Pete Willis they lost their balls. Mutt helped turn them into bubblegum rock.
    Mutt has the effect of taking all the furious, raw power out of bands and making them more palatable to the masses. He did the same thing, albeit to a much lesser extent, to AC/DC.

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    Mutt is a musical genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    Mutt is a musical genius.

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    Musically, yes. Romantically, no.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fudd View Post
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    You beat me on that one. Ditto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
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    An overrated one. But if you want a producer to take a hard rock band and make them more pop and radio friendly and soften the edges and overproduce them, and if you're really lucky bring his idiotic drum machine in place of the actual drummer, hes your guy.

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    But i think Joe wanted them to go the way they headed with Mutt.
    Joe was never comfortable being this NWOBHM figure, because he loved T Rex, Bowie, Slade, etc.
    He was a huge Glam rock fan, but my feeling is Willis & Clark were more geared to 'DC style Hard Rock.

    When Mutt said, Let's make you guys huge & soften those rough edges, i'm sure Joe
    was all in.

    The debut was pretty good, but High N Dry, for me, is up there with Highway to Hell.
    The riffs are just so good: Let it Go, Hit & Run, Switch, Mirror Mirror is fucking genius.
    Clark took that Zep styled drone idea/riff and made it this brilliant thing.

    High N Dry was a massive leap forward, and i still feel like it's criminally under rated
    by the band.
    It should have been their "Back in Black."
    The songs are fantastic.

    I did like Pyro as well, not as much, but there was still that NWOBHM feel, and
    some great riffs.
    It was obviously more commercial, but still ballsy.

    But Hysteria was just awful for me.
    It sounded so sterile & manufactured, like the band became Mutt's robots.
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    Yes, I agree that Joe was heading that way. He loved glam rock, so he hired pretty boy Phil to replace Pete and soften the look and sound of Def L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    An overrated one. But if you want a producer to take a hard rock band and make them more pop and radio friendly and soften the edges and overproduce them, and if you're really lucky bring his idiotic drum machine in place of the actual drummer, hes your guy.
    If you want to sell millions of records in just about any genre, he's your guy.

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    I loved the sounds Mutt got on "Highway" and "Back in Black."

    Those albums have killer production, and it does not sound sterile or Poppy.
    It just sounds in tune & really well recorded, with a clear balance.

    I love "Powerage" & LTBR, but those albums are slightly more noisey and garagey.
    They have their charm & i love 'em, but "Highway" was a huge leap forward as far as
    getting all the instruments clear, in tune and with punch.

    Listen to the guitar tones on "Shot down in flames."
    It's still those classic 'DC tones, but much fuller and less buzzy.

    Mutt did the same for Lep on "High & Dry."

    He was a great Hard Rock producer, but then tried to morph it with this
    weird obsession with Pop perfection.

    I love Foreigner 4, but i don't want that to bleed into Def Leppard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    But i think Joe wanted them to go the way they headed with Mutt.
    Joe was never comfortable being this NWOBHM figure, because he loved T Rex, Bowie, Slade, etc.
    He was a huge Glam rock fan, but my feeling is Willis & Clark were more geared to 'DC style Hard Rock.

    When Mutt said, Let's make you guys huge & soften those rough edges, i'm sure Joe
    was all in.

    The debut was pretty good, but High N Dry, for me, is up there with Highway to Hell.
    The riffs are just so good: Let it Go, Hit & Run, Switch, Mirror Mirror is fucking genius.
    Clark took that Zep styled drone idea/riff and made it this brilliant thing.

    High N Dry was a massive leap forward, and i still feel like it's criminally under rated
    by the band.
    It should have been their "Back in Black."
    The songs are fantastic.

    I did like Pyro as well, not as much, but there was still that NWOBHM feel, and
    some great riffs.
    It was obviously more commercial, but still ballsy.

    But Hysteria was just awful for me.
    It sounded so sterile & manufactured, like the band became Mutt's robots.
    The record buying masses made Back In Black legendary. That did not happen with High 'n' Dry.

    I remember that Pyromania was basically going nowhere until MTV started playing the video for Photograph. We all know what happened after that …
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    if we're talking about producers that can cut the balls off any hard rock/heavy metal band let's not forget Ron Nevison. He was a very popular producer in the '80's but he killed the rawness of every album he produced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    The debut was pretty good, but High N Dry, for me, is up there with Highway to Hell.
    The riffs are just so good: Let it Go, Hit & Run, Switch, Mirror Mirror is fucking genius.
    Clark took that Zep styled drone idea/riff and made it this brilliant thing.

    High N Dry was a massive leap forward, and i still feel like it's criminally under rated
    by the band.
    It should have been their "Back in Black."
    The songs are fantastic.
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