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    First off, I have a feeling that unlike the Van Halen bros, the Feet actually might read (or care) what we say here. So I don't mean this as an attack on Joe's ability, or professionalism, or anything else...my respect for him has gone up (if that was possible) thanks to the way he's been treating us fans.

    That being said, where is the "wow" on the new album? I kept waiting for something that would make my jaw drop, but it just wasn't there. Was there a conscious decision to tone down Joe's playing? Why?

    Lyrics aside, Sammy's singing was nuts on the album...Mike was playing with a chip on his shoulder...and Chad was kicking ass...but it felt like Joe was playing it safe. I hope they set him loose on the next one.
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    He sounds just fine to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 47 View Post
    He sounds just fine to me.
    That makes two of us.

    Funny thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by groucheux View Post
    First off, I have a feeling that unlike the Van Halen bros, the Feet actually might read (or care) what we say here. So I don't mean this as an attack on Joe's ability, or professionalism, or anything else...my respect for him has gone up (if that was possible) thanks to the way he's been treating us fans.

    That being said, where is the "wow" on the new album? I kept waiting for something that would make my jaw drop, but it just wasn't there. Was there a conscious decision to tone down Joe's playing? Why?

    Lyrics aside, Sammy's singing was nuts on the album...Mike was playing with a chip on his shoulder...and Chad was kicking ass...but it felt like Joe was playing it safe. I hope they set him loose on the next one.
    Plenty of jaw-dropping moments. Saw these guys live three times. There are only a few guitarists I've ever seen that made me laugh out loud at how amazing they were. Yes, jaw-dropping moments. And I can tell you the live shows is pretty much what you hear on the album. Might be easier for me to say, b/c it does enhance the listening experience (for me at least) since I saw these songs live. But there is some really sick playing on this album.

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    I think Joe sounds unbelievable.
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    Michael did the impossible. He made Van Halen better. Deal with it.
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    satch just needs to find his right spot in being in a band and that makes his playing a little different at some times but when it comes to soloing he's still 100% satch.
    i dont think theres any difference in the long run.
    its still his signature tone, licks and way of playing.

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    Couldn't disagree with you more. Satch was killer on this album. Of course he's going to "tone-down" to a certain extent because he's in the context of a band that has vocals. It's a totally different medium. I think you want him to paint an oil painting when he's painting with water-colors.

    Actually, this shows how good Joe is as a musician versus the knock he's always had against him that he is nothing more than a shredder. Yngwie is a shredder who would blaze 7 minute solos into a song--it is impressive to watch, but it totally doesn't fit the context of the tune and becomes more about the guitar player's chops versus harmony, melody and the overall arrangement of the song.

    Joe is absolutely nails in demonstrating his unique voice within a context of a unit where, although he has a prominent role, he isn't the only guy with the spotlight on him.

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    No. An instrumental guitar album is one thing. this is a band. If CF came out in the 80's when the guitar arms race was the fad he may have been more extreme. Joe played his role well here. Played for the song, no more or less...and he does let loose a tad more live than on the record.
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    3:38-4:00, Satch and Chad make this tune, period.


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    That's my point...he sounded "fine"...and we all know he's much, much better than "fine." Don't get me wrong, I liked the album alot...I just never had a "what the hell was that?" moment listening to it. And I was expecting some sleight of hand from Joe that would make me do a aural double-take.

    For example (and I know this is throwing water on the fire...) there are a couple of moments on the ChiDem album that made my head spin a bit...same with Saudade. I just didn't hear it here, and I think Joe purposely kept things simple.

    Again...I'm not crapping on the album! I'd recommend it to anyone who wants a dose of rock and roll. And Joe's playing was indeed "fine." I just kept waiting for something (sorry) out of this world.
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    I agree that Satch was Satch but not in a good way. I think there were a few moments in his solos where he didn't use enough restraint. I thought there were a few "Yngwie" moments where he was shredding to shred. Driving fast songs, fine. Shred and play fast but a few songs didn't need the Mozart of "too many notes."

    Maybe I am used to EVH's or Vic's pedestrian pace next to Sam's voice instead of Joe's and it sounds weird. However I listened to the new Extreme album and heard what Nuno did on that. He didn't solo like it was Pornograffiti. You can hear that he was trying to play what fit the song. I don't think Joe did that all the time.

    I think his rhythm playing is great and he has some great solos on the album. He is an awesome guitarist so don't think I am slamming him because I love Eddie, hate Sammy, Mike, tequilla, bald guys with sunglasses, chili peppers, etc

    Just my personal observation as a guitarist who has followed Joe since Surfing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groucheux View Post
    That's my point...he sounded "fine"...and we all know he's much, much better than "fine." Don't get me wrong, I liked the album alot...I just never had a "what the hell was that?" moment listening to it. And I was expecting some sleight of hand from Joe that would make me do a aural double-take.

    For example (and I know this is throwing water on the fire...) there are a couple of moments on the ChiDem album that made my head spin a bit...same with Saudade. I just didn't hear it here, and I think Joe purposely kept things simple.

    Again...I'm not crapping on the album! I'd recommend it to anyone who wants a dose of rock and roll. And Joe's playing was indeed "fine." I just kept waiting for something (sorry) out of this world.
    I don't think anyone made a single comment in this thread about you crapping on the album. It all seems related to your initial comment about him toning down his playing purposely for the album. Don't take the disagreement with your statement as an indictment to your enjoyment of the album.

    I'm rather unclear on what it is that you were looking for. What was it on Saudade that made you go, "Wow?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    I agree that Satch was Satch but not in a good way. I think there were a few moments in his solos where he didn't use enough restraint. I thought there were a few "Yngwie" moments where he was shredding to shred. Driving fast songs, fine. Shred and play fast but a few songs didn't need the Mozart of "too many notes."

    Maybe I am used to EVH's or Vic's pedestrian pace next to Sam's voice instead of Joe's and it sounds weird. However I listened to the new Extreme album and heard what Nuno did on that. He didn't solo like it was Pornograffiti. You can hear that he was trying to play what fit the song. I don't think Joe did that all the time.

    I think his rhythm playing is great and he has some great solos on the album. He is an awesome guitarist so don't think I am slamming him because I love Eddie, hate Sammy, Mike, tequilla, bald guys with sunglasses, chili peppers, etc

    Just my personal observation as a guitarist who has followed Joe since Surfing.
    I disagree. I thought Joe was very measured and tasteful throughout the album, but also recognize that your comment is just a matter of taste. Some folks don't like the longer solos--I think the longer ones were appropriate where they were and fit the tune, but I understand that anything longer than 10 sec might be too much for some people.

    The end of "Future" was just absolutely sick. Love the way he lets it fly at the crescendo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by groucheux View Post
    That's my point...he sounded "fine"...and we all know he's much, much better than "fine." Don't get me wrong, I liked the album alot...I just never had a "what the hell was that?" moment listening to it. And I was expecting some sleight of hand from Joe that would make me do a aural double-take.

    For example (and I know this is throwing water on the fire...) there are a couple of moments on the ChiDem album that made my head spin a bit...same with Saudade. I just didn't hear it here, and I think Joe purposely kept things simple.

    Again...I'm not crapping on the album! I'd recommend it to anyone who wants a dose of rock and roll. And Joe's playing was indeed "fine." I just kept waiting for something (sorry) out of this world.
    Well, to be perfectly honest, I was pleasantly surprised on how Joe fits in in the 4 piece rock band chemistry because of the very wizardry he has displayed in his solo work. The fact that he sounds "reigned in" or whatever other term you want to use is exactly what makes this band and their debut album work so well. He lets loose where appropriate, and then pulls it in before it sounds like Satch + Chickenfoot rather than a band. It's not like Mike let it loose like he has live, although he certainly has been more "breathing room" on this album than he has in a long time on any VH album. Each member has brought their pieces to the table, and each seems to work in well with the other. In the end, it's 4 guys rocking out and breathing life into a genre that has been sorely lacking for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheresOnlyOneWay View Post
    I think Joe sounds unbelievable.
    Me, too. I think some folks might be so used to him just going off for entire songs that they are confused by him just playing lead between vocals.
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