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    Some Fact-Stretching Parallels Between VH And Black Sabbath

    When I first started putting this together, I thought I'd end up with one of those Lincoln/Kennedy Assassination things, where some not quite "SNOPES-proof" coincidences come to the surface. While this turned out to be true, there are some interesting parallels involved, even if they tend to stretch the bounds of credibility somewhat. And yes, I did tend to play fast and loose with the timeline in places.

    This is to be viewed as merely entertainment, as some of it holds water like a cheese grater, OK?

    Some Compelling (Though Not Altogether Convincing) Parallels Between Van Halen And Black Sabbath


    Both bands consisted of three musicians and a singer, and came together during particularly turgid periods of musical history. While neither act was Earth-shatteringly original, both managed to stand out from the pretty much ghastly competition available, leading to instant success. This success was tempered a few years later, as the original singer of each group left for one reason or another. Both acts turned to workman like, non-spectacular though somewhat successful in their own right singers for replacements. Thus reloaded, the groups put out new albums that managed to continue the gravy-train, while alarming purists from the old days (something that would affect their respective fan bases in the future). Each act put out mediocre and underwhelming two disc live albums. After a period of productivity, both singers would leave under nebulous circumstances. (Although in the case of VH, the second singer would last nearly a decade, while Sabbath lasted only a couple of years.)

    It is at this point that both bands teased fans with a public spectacle of reuniting with their initial lead singers, both involving MTV. First Sabbath reunited with Ozzy Osbourne for Live Aid. Roughly a decade later, Van Halen appeared with David Lee Roth at the Video Music Awards in 1996. Neither reunion lasted much longer than the time needed to film it, and the groups continued on with their third singers. This resulted in spectacularly awful albums that failed to capture the public's imagination, although the tours in support of these lukewarm releases were in fact quite good. These "third strike" singers left after the initial recording and tour, leading to a murky period of odd activity and fan bewilderment. Sabbath (with one lone original member) would release some critically and fan drubbed albums and play in socially boycotted South Africa, while Edward Van Halen would go on to release music for a porn soundtrack and engage in questionable public behavior. Osbourne eventually starred in a television show and an endless succession of commercials having little to do with creating new music, while Edward Van Halen would establish a similar sense of entrepreneurial spirit (including footwear), again yielding no new music.

    Both bands would ask departed members to sign away intents and rights to their respective bands, and the original singer of each group would file suit against his former band. Ozzy Osbourne would eventually erase the recorded contributions of two of his band members on the rerelease of his solo albums, while Michael Anthony would be temporarily erased from VH's website. (Public indignation leads to Anthony's image being restored, yet having signed away his rights to the band for future considerations, he was powerless when Van Halen again attempted to rewrite history with a video game featuring the young Wolfgang Van Halen in his place.) Former members of each act would see success with groups built on the chassis of their former bands, albeit with different monikers. Both Heaven and Hell, along with Chickenfoot recorded new albums and announced plans for extensive touring.

    Fans of Osbourne, the Van Halens and David Lee Roth are left to ponder what (if anything) is next.
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    nice job chef!!
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    Interesting read Chef. Thanks.
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    As usual, great read there my friend.
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    Good post Chef.

    My dads band used to support Earth (Sabbath's name prior to being called Black Sabbath) and he says that everyone else at the time was into The Yardbirds, John Mayall, Jeff Beck, Hendrix etc etc.......he said when they hit the stage - it was so loud and so different and so hard-hitting that you just knew that they were going to be massive. Incidentally, Iommi still hasn't replaced his amp that he blew up LOL!

    Ed and Iommi did some recording together in 93 when VH toured the UK - he borrowed a purple EBMM/EVH from Musical Exchanges (RIP) and I missed 'em in there by about 5 mins! Everyone said:

    1) Ed was tiny with huge hands
    2) He was a really nice, funny guy

    Things seemed really cool form VH back in 93!

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    Too bad you left out the huge chunk of time Tony Martin was in Black Sabbath........ You could have compared him to Gary Cherone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang_'99 View Post
    Too bad you left out the huge chunk of time Tony Martin was in Black Sabbath........ You could have compared him to Gary Cherone
    Nah, Cherone's tenure was compared to Ian Gillan's. I left the Tony Martin era under the "period of odd activity and fan bewilderment".
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    Not really sure if this fits in the comparison but after when Gary Moore turned down the job of Ozzy's guitarist, Ozzy went to LA looking for the next Eddie Van Halen. Seems that he was quite impressed with him when VH opened for Sabbath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    Nah, Cherone's tenure was compared to Ian Gillan's. I left the Tony Martin era under the "period of odd activity and fan bewilderment".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    Not really sure if this fits in the comparison but after when Gary Moore turned down the job of Ozzy's guitarist, Ozzy went to LA looking for the next Eddie Van Halen. Seems that he was quite impressed with him when VH opened for Sabbath.
    What's ironic is, that even though Iommi wasn't much better, Ozzy was as fucked up on Sab's '78 tour as Ed was on the '04 tour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LowLifeFlatHeadScum View Post
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