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    U.S. to Condemn Land to create a $58 million, 2,200-acre permanent memorial.

    A $58 million, 2,200-acre memorial???

    PITTSBURGH — The government will begin taking land from seven property owners so that the Flight 93 memorial can be built in time for the 10th anniversary of the 2001 terrorist attacks, the National Park Service said.

    In a a statement obtained by The Associated Press, the park service said it had teamed up with a group representing the victims' families to work with landowners since before 2005 to acquire the land.

    "But with few exceptions, these negotiations have been unsuccessful," said the statement, which was to be released later Thursday.

    The seven property owners own about 500 acres still needed for what will ultimately be a $58 million, 2,200-acre permanent memorial and national park at the crash site near Shanksville, about 60 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.

    "We always prefer to get that land from a willing seller. And sometimes you can just not come to an agreement on certain things," park service spokesman Phil Sheridan said.

    Two owners account for about 420 acres the park service plans to condemn, including Svonavec Inc. — which owns 275 acres, including the impact site where 40 passengers and crew died. About 150 acres are owned by a family that operates a scrap yard.

    Most of rest of the land to be condemned are small parcels, two of which include cabins.

    "It's absolutely a surprise. I'm shocked by it. I'm disappointed by it," said Tim Lambert, who owns nearly 164 acres that his grandfather bought in the 1930s. The park service plans to condemn two parcels totaling about five acres — land, he said, he had always intended to donate for the memorial.

    "To the best of my knowledge and my lawyer, absolutely no negotiations have taken place with the park service where we've sat down and discussed this," Lambert said.

    Lambert said he had mainly dealt with the Families of Flight 93 and said he's provided the group all the information it's asked for, including an appraisal.

    While he knew that condemnation was a possibility, he thought it was an unlikely scenario and that the park service and family group had wanted to acquire the larger parcels before dealing with owners of smaller properties.

    "I was never told that May was the drop-deadline," he said.

    In February, government officials and representatives of the 33 passengers and seven crew members killed when the plane crashed on Sept. 11, 2001, pledged to dedicate a memorial on the site by the 10th anniversary. Officials said then that more than 80 percent of the needed land had been secured.

    United Flight 93 was traveling from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco when it was diverted by hijackers with the likely goal of crashing it into the White House or Capitol. The official 9/11 Commission report said the hijackers crashed the plane as passengers tried to wrest control of the cockpit.
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    bullshit. Memorial and park my ass...money maker...for a lot of people...but hey, it's not surprise, private property and individual rights haven't meant much in this country for a very long time.
    Stay out of it, dude.


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    That is pretty ridiculous...any time the government takes land from private individuals pisses me off.

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    It's bullshit. The government in Daytona Beach did essentially the same thing to the Boardwalk so new businesses could be built.
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    Why 2200 acres?
    How big are other large memorials?

    Most that I have seen are the size of a small building.
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    here in houston the mayor took a parcel of land away from two brothers whose family had owned for generations. It just happened to be in the Galleria area...which for those of you not from Houston is a very upper-crust area with a huge high-end mall, big office buildings, boutique shopping etc.

    The city said since the brothers weren't using it for anything they were going to claim eminent domain and pay them fair market for the land. The city said they were going to build a park. Well, there was a park 2 blocks away to begin. They paid the brothers pennies on the dollar and then "sold" the land to one of the mayor's real estate developer buddies who built an office parking space (I think...I'm pretty sure it was a parking building, might have been an office building...I don't remember) and then to make sure they had the "park" thing covered, they planted a tree and some flowers and grass in a corner.

    It's a bunch of bullshit and the fact that they are using 9/11 as a ruse is pretty sickening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy 150 View Post
    Why 2200 acres?
    How big are other large memorials?

    Most that I have seen are the size of a small building.

    Yeah, I started thinking about that. Hell, Daytona Int'l Speedway sits on less than 500 acres, and that place is huge!
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    Obviously it's become a pet project for the State Rep, is my guess... Which will aid in his "friend"ly state contractor buddies, and any personal kickbacks that are not reported...
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHalenRules View Post
    Yeah, I started thinking about that. Hell, Daytona Int'l Speedway sits on less than 500 acres, and that place is huge!
    jeez...that really puts it into perspective...how many acres is disneyland sitting on? How about Disney World?
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    The Walt Disney World Resort is made up of 47 square miles of land.... or about 30,000 acres. Only about 1100 acres of that land is devoted to the 4 theme parks. In fact, with only 7,100 acres developed, there's quite a lot of room for expansion!
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    Quote Originally Posted by broken9500 View Post
    jeez...that really puts it into perspective...how many acres is disneyland sitting on? How about Disney World?

    I believe Disneyland occupies a total of about 160 acres, which I think includes California Adventure.

    Disney World is huge, and is best measured in square miles, however, Magic Kingdom occupies about 107 acres, Epcot about 300 acres, Disney-MGM Studios about 154 acres, & Animal Kingdom about 500 acres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHalenRules View Post
    I believe Disneyland occupies a total of about 160 acres, which I think includes California Adventure.

    Disney World is huge, and is best measured in square miles, however, Magic Kingdom occupies about 107 acres, Epcot about 300 acres, Disney-MGM Studios about 154 acres, & Animal Kingdom about 500 acres.
    But these are not monuments.
    Not in the true sense anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy 150 View Post
    But these are not monuments.
    Not in the true sense anyway.
    True, but it does put the amount of land into perspective. If you have ever been all the way around EPCOT Center, you know how damn big that place is. Hell, I looked it up and the Washington Monument and it's park only sit on 147 acres, so 2,200 acres is just insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by broken9500 View Post

    It's a bunch of bullshit and the fact that they are using 9/11 as a ruse is pretty sickening.
    No doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHalenRules View Post
    Hell, I looked it up and the Washington Monument and it's park only sit on 147 acres, so 2,200 acres is just insane.
    EXACTLY!

    I'm not saying it isn't monument worthy, it most certainly is, but what the hell is going on all that land?
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