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    Due to the ill effects of Krylon that most of you are already aware of, I've decided it's time to repaint my EvH Star replica ... but that's a whole different thread in itself! (Please excuse the chips, scratches and other markings on the body. The body is only in the first stages of prep and alot more work needs to be done.)

    As I observed from my reference picks, The Star guitar had a pickup ring mounted on it but later photos I saw of it the same guitar dissassembled revealed a somewhat shallow route which made me think ... Could the pickup in this guitar have been hard mounted?

    Regardless, I totally disregarded this when I built my Star replica thinking ... well, it really doesn't matter if it's going to have a pickup ring anyway. So I proceeded to just mount the pickup and ring assembly in probably one of the deepest pickup cavitys I've ever seen!



    I will admit ... there was something about this guitar that made it sound "lifeless". It could have very well been the Krylon paint I used but I couldn't help but think if it could have had something to do with how the pickup was mounted as well. Maybe I've bought into some of the EvH folklore afterall.

    So, I began fabricating a pickup shim as I've done many times before.
    This one would be about 1/2" thick!





    This worked well, and brought the depth of the cavity to about 1/2".
    Now I have a good platform to hardmount my pickup, but this got me thinking ... the only portion of the pickup that's making any contact with the shim are the two legs, leaving a pretty good size gap in between. Sure, that's technically "hard mounting", but I thought if I could somehow make full contact with the entire pickup, well ... who knows!



    In order to remedy this, I wanted to fabricate an additional spacer that would fill that gap. I wanted SOLID contact accross the entire base of the pickup, not just contact on the legs. In order to do this, I had to take a look at the bottom of the pickup (in this case, a Dimarzio Tone Zone) and match the profile EXACTLY to provide fulll contact with the entire pickup.



    And here's what I came up with ...





    Notice how the thickness of the spacer matches exactly the legnth of the legs. This will allow full contact from the spacer to the pickup shim.
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    Once installed in the cavity, it'll look something like this ...





    I'm not really sure what (if any) effect this will have on tone, but it just sorta makes sense to me that if hard mounting just the legs of a pickup makes a difference, than full contact on the entire pickup may just make it that much better!

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    Snug as a bug in a rug! Looks nice, great work. Who knows if it will make a difference in the tone, but it certainly can't hurt to try. I'm not entirely convinced that pickups screwed straight into the wood sound better than those mounted on springs and rings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vhin04 View Post
    Snug as a bug in a rug! Looks nice, great work. Who knows if it will make a difference in the tone, but it certainly can't hurt to try. I'm not entirely convinced that pickups screwed straight into the wood sound better than those mounted on springs and rings.
    Yeah, I'm not entirely convinced either, but who knows ...
    I just had some time on my hands and I thought I'd experiment a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino5150 View Post
    As I observed from my reference picks, The Star guitar had a pickup ring mounted on it but later photos I saw of it the same guitar dissassembled revealed a somewhat shallow route which made me think ... Could the pickup in this guitar have been hard mounted?
    Looks like it was, Dino! Check out this picture...
    ...notice that there is no pick-up ring!


    In fact, it turns out the "Star" never had a pick-up ring at all!

    ...just the usual Ed "tape mess"!
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    Ahhhh ... the plot thickens!

    Well, at one point ... it did have a pickup ring.
    (what the hell is that by the tip of the trem arm? )



    Then upon re-inspecition of the pic I had of this guitar disassembled, I noticed the deeper routes on the ends of the pickup route which are typically done to provide space for the longer screws that are used to make adjustments when using a pickup ring.



    So if it was hard-mounted ... what did he mount it to?
    Is it possible the base was somehow hard-mounted as opposed to the legs?
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    nice!!

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    Consider this ...
    If the pickup used had long legs, I guess it's very possible the legs could have been hard mounted but ... that would make it possible (and maybe even probable) for the base of the pickup to make contact with the higher, center section of wood, no?


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    Very cool idea, Dino. I've wondered about the same thing before--truly direct-mounting the pickup with LOTS of body contact. I'll be curious to hear if it has any effect on the tone.

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    the other pic dino posted has some phunky thing at the end of the trem arm, im gonna say it was probably a badly routed tone knob cuz if you look a the pic above and the bottom right side on one of the thin white pinstripes there's a tiny hole in the same position. jmo

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    Very cool theory Dino.
    May just do some damage.
    If you string it up and the pup needs to be raised, just slip a couple, cut tounge depressers in there.
    Question. Not all feet on pickups are the same size.
    Gibbys are alot longer then lets say...Duncans.
    Think this has anything to do with Eds mounting practices?
    I've actually use "dummy" rings on some guitars. Had to cut the small screws and superglue em on the ring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron4406 View Post
    Very cool theory Dino.
    May just do some damage.
    If you string it up and the pup needs to be raised, just slip a couple, cut tounge depressers in there.
    Question. Not all feet on pickups are the same size.
    Gibbys are alot longer then lets say...Duncans.
    Think this has anything to do with Eds mounting practices?
    I've actually use "dummy" rings on some guitars. Had to cut the small screws and superglue em on the ring.
    I intentionally made the shim a little thicker than I needed and did a "mock build". The shim was a little too thick, so I just took it to the bench sander and shaved off about 1/8". Now it's perfect.

    You're right Ron ... alot of pickups have different size legs.
    That's why a "mock" build is so important.
    You can set the trem and "eyeball" the height for a starting point, but I stll prefer to do a mock build. This also offers the opportunity to align the neck and correct other problems that may occur when mix-matching various bodys and necks before you comitt to painting.

    As for the adjustment screws for the pickup ring ...
    I'll probably just cut down the screws and secure them with small machine nuts underneath. I'm pretty messy with glue.

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    Very cool.
    A mock build is a must. With everything.
    You never know what comes up.
    Last thing you wanna do is modifications with a completed body.
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